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RE: Need a musician - 7/30/2010 10:47:40 AM   
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RE: Need a musician - 7/30/2010 10:50:57 AM   
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And that's the issue. Any chord, however nice--G major 9 comes to mind--is gonna get tiring 24/7.

It's why I'd go with the more melodic pentatonic approach.

AND he'd have to find an 8-track player....

But whatever rings your bells!

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RE: Need a musician - 7/30/2010 2:47:09 PM   
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One of Bill Evans chord voicings might be nice.

Other than that though you are right.

It is hard to post and work at the same time..:)

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RE: Need a musician - 7/30/2010 3:47:15 PM   
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One of Bill Evans chord voicings might be nice.


Well, he could try to do something with Peace Piece.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 6:19:51 AM   
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One of Bill Evans chord voicings might be nice.


Well, he could try to do something with Peace Piece.


Thanks for that. Never heard it before and I like greatly.


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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 6:28:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill Evans was unbelievably inventive in his chord voicings.

The best or at least most accessible example is Miles Davis, " Kind of Blue"

Also "Sunday at the VIllage Vanguard" with Scott Lafaro and Paul Motian.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 6:54:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm curious about something, and if you don't want to give away your secrets I can understand. When you go to cut a pipe to achieve a particular note is it trial and error...simply cutting the pipe shorter and shorter until the desired note is achieved, or is there a formula or scientific method of measuring the pipe to know how long to cut it?

I have enough musical knowledge to grasp the basics of what the others have been saying, but for me trying to achieve the proper notes made from random lengths of pipe or other material would be an extremely tedious undertaking, most likely with a lot of wasted material.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 7:00:08 AM   
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http://www.panflutejedi.com/tube-lengths.html

here are a couple starting points, but my bets is that is dependant on thickness of material, other qualities of manufacture like diameter, material and so on, but it would appear that you could take these measurements and add a little, and then I dont know, go get a musician friend that has one of those happy dappy hz tuners, and sand or file a little, or if you have an excellent ear, a piano thats tuned.   I see there is a youtube on copper pipe.



here is the ultimate neat shit, and will give you some ideas


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vxicX3Idyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrTZFlhXels&feature=related

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 7:15:52 AM   
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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 7:30:59 AM   
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I'm curious about something, and if you don't want to give away your secrets I can understand. When you go to cut a pipe to achieve a particular note is it trial and error...simply cutting the pipe shorter and shorter until the desired note is achieved, or is there a formula or scientific method of measuring the pipe to know how long to cut it?

I have enough musical knowledge to grasp the basics of what the others have been saying, but for me trying to achieve the proper notes made from random lengths of pipe or other material would be an extremely tedious undertaking, most likely with a lot of wasted material.

It's just math, as old as organ builiding--a 8' C is an eight foot long pipe. Octaves are half--4' is an octave higher, 2' is two octaves higher, 1' is three octaves higher. 2/3 of that eight foot pipe is a G; 1/3 of it is a G an octave higher.

Tempering tones messes with that, and yes, builders tune pipes (and have to retune them with weathering, depending on the material). Electronics could tell you whether it's in tune. But I'm sure could find loads of information--it's an old art, and many commercial places produced windchimes in a variety of styles, from huge to small. Woodstock chimes comes to mind.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 7:46:37 AM   
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One of Bill Evans chord voicings might be nice.


Well, he could try to do something with Peace Piece.


Thanks for that. Never heard it before and I like greatly.


Well let's see. Depends on how big you want to make your low chimes. Let's assume you're not going to make really large ones.

If G is your lowest note, then one set of chimes, perhaps on one set of the porch, could be G, D, G, B, G, B, another set on the opposite side of the porch D, C, D, F#, A, C, and the highest one in the middle of the porch somewhere just a G major scale, E, F#, A, C, D, E for example.

Voila. Bill Evans a la Aeolian Wind Chime Harp.

No guanantees, as ultimately you're going to get standing clusters sounding. Two large G and D low pipes would help. But if you feel like experimenting. The pentatonics is a sure thing.

But pipes are pipes--once they're made, you can always rearrange your chimes to something else.


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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 8:25:39 AM   
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But Miles once said Bill Evans sounds like water trickling in a creek, or something similar.

That's why I thought it might sound good as wind chimes.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 8:38:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, Jeff, how about a Bill Evans water organ, and a Bill Evans water drum? You could get out your bass and play along..



Yeah, Bill Evans was one of the greatest of the greats, no question--and with innovative sounds, not banging and flash.


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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 8:53:11 AM   
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paint drumming

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 9:45:01 AM   
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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 9:51:16 AM   
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So close........................

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 9:52:04 AM   
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An Aeolian Wind Harp might also be added to the tubular orchestra.

Wall of Sound.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 9:58:51 AM   
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I miss tub girl.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 9:59:00 AM   
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Luthier skills, however, will matter.

Some Aeolian Harps people built

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RE: Need a musician - 7/31/2010 1:34:30 PM   
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They take some work, and you don't need the electronics.

Luthier skills, however, will matter.

Some Aeolian Harps people built


I am finding it interesting that the discussion has found it's way here because for some reason or other, with the first post I began thinking of wind harps and in particular one that was built by Thomas Ward McCain during the years 1968-1971. When he completed it, he was just 22.
The 25', 80 stringed Aeolean harp was installed on a hilltop in Chelsea, Vt.
United Artists recorded it in 1972 in a double album entitled The Wind Harp - Songs from the Hill.
Part of it is used in the soundtrack for The Exorcist.


http://www.wardmccain.com/harp.html
http://stereosanctity.blogspot.com/2008/01/wind-harp-corrections-and-further.html

edit: spelling etc

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