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Need a musician - 7/29/2010 6:38:26 AM   
StrangerThan


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Status: offline 		Let me preface by saying that I am by no means an expert, so if I say something stupid or ignorant, it's because I'm wandering around on vague and foggy ground. One of my hobbies is building wind chimes. I can tune them to about any sequence of notes. Something I've been doing for years mostly based off a visit to the music department in my college years where a professor said I should use pentatonic scales for wind chimes.

Fast forward. I have a fairly large deck on my new house (isn't by any means new, and is a remodel in progress), and decided I wanted to create a harmonizing experience when the wind blows across it. I built three chimes, all based off an octave of the lowest set of bells.

So, chime 1 is 4 bells, C,  G, E, A which equates to C-261 hz, g - 392 hz, E - 329 hz, A - 440 hz.

Chime 2 is 6 bells and incorporates notes g, a, d, e, c,g that start one octave higher than the notes in chime 1, so the g in this chime which has two octaves of frequencies 784 hz and 1,568 hz with the rest of the notes walking between those two. Imagine lengths on a wind chime. G is the largest and shortest bell.

These two are made from copper with hardwood clappers and produce soft, soothing tones. The third is an octave higher than the second, done in aluminum with a lexan clapper and provides the tinkling type of sound.

They all sound very good together, it's just not the... big harmony type of experience I imagined. So rather than simply work from octave to octave, is there a better way of reaching that type of sound?

Speak slowly because while I can play an instrument or two, I am virtually clueless when it comes to how notes string together.

Attached - hopefully will be a pic of chime 1.

Thanks in advance.




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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 6:42:25 AM   
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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 6:53:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Instead of octaves, try tuning to 5ths.

That will give you a very pleasing harmony.

the fifth for c is f

for g is d
for e is b
for a is e

so you already have some

If you are looking for a sadder type harmony to can add 7ths. That will give you a bluesy sound.

As for Hz, you can go higher or lower. The relationship stays the same.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 7:16:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lol. Thanks for adding the notes.

I was looking all over trying to find the relationships to figure out what a fifth would be and getting lost in words like cents.

I'll give it a shot.

Thanks again.


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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 7:25:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been goggling looking for a chart of note relationships for you. I can't find one.

A large book store would have one.

Keep in mind the sound you want to hear. Most harmonies are 5ths, called perfect 5ths because 1000 years ago the Church decided they were the most pleasing to God.

If you are looking for gospel, blues, or jazz harmonies, those would be different.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 7:29:09 AM   
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Both by the chimes and the anteaters knowledge :)

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 7:31:15 AM   
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It, and my daughter, are the only things in life that have never let me down.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 7:33:52 AM   
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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 7:34:40 AM   
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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 7:43:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jeffff.. I totally get the music thing..   There were times when music was the only thing keeping me going.  Literally a lifesaver, a few times.  Savatage's Streets album in particular.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 11:22:58 AM   
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It, and my daughter, are the only things in life that have never let me down.
Oddly enough I agree with this 100%...daughters are the best

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 11:23:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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It, and my daughter, are the only things in life that have never let me down.
Oddly enough I agree with this 100%...daughters are the best



I am not Domiguy, it's ok to agree with me.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 11:30:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		i can also agree with you.

my babygirl is 8

and my love for songs has saved me more than once

this is my current fav.....goes with my whole 'changing  ' personna.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQUcxVH8coE&feature=related

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 2:17:21 PM   
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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 2:44:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pentatonic scales will work nicely.

G, A, C, D, E, G, for example. Any collection of whole steps and minor thirds will do (G, B-flat, C, D, F, G, or G, B-flat, C, E-flat, F, G, or G, A, B, D, F, G), though each will sound different.

Instead of like a single chord all day, this is more likely to sound like a pleasing melody. This is what I would suggest. My own chimes are similar to this, based on an ancient Chinese scale.

Two other possibilities come to mind, though both would be more complicated.

-create Middle Eastern scales (think Aladdin, snake charmer music). I'd create a drone in fifths/octaves and the scale in the higher chimes.

-create a jazz effect with a lower main chord and then upper structure triads in the other two chimes. For example, a G-based lower chime with F and D based upper ones (make D the high one), or a C based one instead of D (for a less dissonant ring). It's a bit like Jeff's 5ths idea.

But I'd still go with the pentatonic ones.



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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 2:48:34 PM   
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Most harmonies are 5ths, called perfect 5ths because 1000 years ago the Church decided they were the most pleasing to God.


Sorry, Jeff. This goes back to ancient Greece. And they're perfect because of their relationship in the overtone series, versus the slightly detuned ones we've used since Bach for temperment.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 2:49:42 PM   
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RE: Need a musician - 7/29/2010 3:04:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would at least be easy to conceive, if he wanted one long rich note--take a pipe, 1/2 a pipe, 1/3 of a pipe, 1/4, 1/5, 1/6 etc., right out of Pythagoras' pages--roughly C, C, G, C, E, G, B-flat, C, D, E-flat, E, F, F-sharp, G---though most detuned from what we use today.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/30/2010 9:43:07 AM   
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I was gonna come back and suggest a chord.

6 tubes tuned to a chord could give you something similar to an arpeggio.

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RE: Need a musician - 7/30/2010 10:44:23 AM   
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He's gonna end up with a G6-9 chord in the end--or shifting triads over a base chord, a la Herbie Hancock Maiden Voyage type stuff, depending on what he decides to do.

Added ninths are so common in pop music these days that the result should be pleasing and melodic.

But then, it's not my porch.



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