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ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 1:29:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Glasgow


As far as I know, it's complete and utter bull.


You're correct. It's complete and utter crap. It's nothing more than a silly urban legend, and why so many people think it has any meaning whatsoever is utterly beyond me.

But if they want to make themselves look silly by posting it on their profile, more power to them. I have yet to see a single one of them offer a sensible explanation for why they think it makes sense, but who knows? Maybe someday one of them will come up with something rational. You never know, it could happen!




ShaharThorne -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 4:18:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Glasgow

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I once saw a profile which had pictures that were all taken off the Internet.  And the profilee actually had that disclaimer covering pics that were not even hers!


Hey Steve, I'm copyrighting your avatar right now. So you have to take it off or I'm going to sue you. Like srsly.



DS's pic was more interesting...he had a toilet in it until someone (sweetly) had him to exclude  his throne.

*finally realizing her last "name" is...Damn  you guy fellow gamester...* 




RCdc -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 4:21:17 AM)

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Goodness. Well, I think that about sums up my rant. Any thoughts? Comments? 


Yes.  You are incorrect.[;)]

the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 4:34:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
You're correct. It's complete and utter crap. It's nothing more than a silly urban legend, and why so many people think it has any meaning whatsoever is utterly beyond me.



It's not incorrect, just badly expressed.
As a photographer, I can't just go and photograph anyone I want, IF they make it expressly known they are not willing to be photographed, regardless of whether I am in a public place or not.  If that wasn't the case then it's a free for all for child molesters, terrorists and stalkers and no one would have any type of protection.
It's common sense and courtesy to make a request if I wish to photograph someone anyhoo, but that's by the by.

I never see the statement on that notice as a 'don't copy and paste this', it's not really meant to be that. It's more a protection of plagerism so that people can be aware that you cannot take something someone else has written and make out it is your own.

Anything you write becomes copyrighted as soon as you write it.  It's not a TM, you dont have to go through official channels, it's yours.  Hence why emails and profiles or articles and blogs from other sites aren't allowed to be reproduced here or elsewhere in their entirity without permission.  There is a fair use clause of course but it does depend whether it is public or private correspondance you are issuing.  So it's incorrect to assume that it's not copyrighted.  It's also incorrect to believe that people are kind enough not to reproduce it without permission as well.[;)]

the.dark.




DarkSteven -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 6:07:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Glasgow

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I once saw a profile which had pictures that were all taken off the Internet.  And the profilee actually had that disclaimer covering pics that were not even hers!


Hey Steve, I'm copyrighting your avatar right now. So you have to take it off or I'm going to sue you. Like srsly.



No problem.

/Changes avatar to pic of Glasgow/




marie2 -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 7:31:19 AM)

From the reading I have done on this topic..and it was quite a while ago...It would seem that everyone has "copy rights" automatically. But the thing about people registering their articles and photos under copyright is that it would make it easier to sue someone for stealing your stuff. It proves that it was yours in the first place. So I would think that removes at least one of the complications.

And even at that, I think it would be very difficult to pursue a lawsuit unless you can prove "damages". In other words, if someone steals your photo then uses it to somehow make money, you might have a case. But passing pics in an email or quoting someone's post without naming the author, or using something in a college essay isn't going to land someone in deep shit. At least this is what I've gathered. I'm not an attorney.





Owner59 -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 7:54:24 AM)

Thanks to the OP for posting this.

At one point I thought to c&p one of them to my profile,just in case,to help the cause,not be left out(peer pressure)[:D].....

They are on every bdsm site I know of.

But I really don`t think my profile is all that much or in need of protection.Could I(we) be wrong?

Is it bull,hype or nonsense?It sounds serious.With all the postings it seems more so.




ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 8:13:30 AM)

To me it just seems the person has a way over-inflated ego/sense of self-worth:

Look at me! I'm SO important and my words/images are SO critical to the well-being of humanity that you must not copy or use them in any way!

It also marks them as a poser/wannabe/silly/clueless individual.
Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.*

~Dave

*Spoken, and possibly copyrighted, by Dennis Miller




Glasgow -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 8:18:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Thanks to the OP for posting this.

At one point I thought to c&p one of them to my profile,just in case,to help the cause,not be left out(peer pressure)[:D].....

They are on every bdsm site I know of.

But I really don`t think my profile is all that much or in need of protection.Could I(we) be wrong?

Is it bull,hype or nonsense?It sounds serious.With all the postings it seems more so.



I believe it is all three.

As far as I can tell, yes, it is illegal for somebody to use what you've written somewhere else without your permission. But there are also fair use laws, which means a whole lot of what you say can be legally copied and used elsewhere.

For example, think of all the quotes you see on profiles. Obviously, the person copied the quote. Does this mean that every single person who has a quote in their profile is a criminal? Of course not; under fair use laws, they can certainly quote whomever they please.

As you can see, I've quoted your post myself! Say you did not want me to quote it, and threatened me with copyright laws. You would not win, because I am quoting your post to use in a public discussion. You know where else I could post it with the same argument? Blogs, news websites, newspapers, television... fair use is a wonderful thing.




snoman6765 -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 8:22:47 AM)

from what i gather. it does not matter who puts the pictures up any one can copy right them. i could find some one with out the copyrights to thier photos and i could leagally cooyright them my self so if they post them or even keep them they would have to pay me royalties.




RCdc -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 8:57:32 AM)

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As you can see, I've quoted your post myself! Say you did not want me to quote it, and threatened me with copyright laws. You would not win, because I am quoting your post to use in a public discussion. You know where else I could post it with the same argument? Blogs, news websites, newspapers, television... fair use is a wonderful thing.


Kinda only not.  You have missed out the point of signing to a website and agreeing to their terms.  That is another stipulation people tend to miss/forget/ignore.

the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/13/2010 9:11:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: snoman6765

from what i gather. it does not matter who puts the pictures up any one can copy right them. i could find some one with out the copyrights to thier photos and i could leagally cooyright them my self so if they post them or even keep them they would have to pay me royalties.


Nope that's incorrect, you would have to prove ownership and have the original copy which is mega easy to obtain from a digital photograph for example because it's there in the history, regardless as to whether you have tried to remove it or not.  You don't 'copyright' shit.  Wht you ou are talking more about sounds like patenting, which is different altogether.  Copyright is intangible property. It means handing over the copyright to someone else has no physical motive or substance.  In other words someone whom owns copyright can enforce restrictions over the reproduction of wwhat it is that they own the original copyright to.
Basically, you can copyright anything you want 'officially' but if someone can prove that they owned the original before you then ya stuffed.

the.dark.




tigreetsa -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/14/2010 3:54:53 PM)

Not true at all.

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ORIGINAL: Glasgow

As far as I can tell, yes, it is illegal for somebody to use what you've written somewhere else without your permission. But there are also fair use laws, which means a whole lot of what you say can be legally copied and used elsewhere.



This isn't true. Fair use is restricted to published academic works, literary criticism, single use language learning and/or unless someone has assigned rights under a Creative Commons type of licence. This is what constitutes 'fair use'. You can read up on Creative Commons and how it differs from existing copyright here.

You cannot take someone else's words and use them elsewhere without permission on the basis of the argument of 'fair use'. It isn't fair use, it's infringing on their copyright.

As for news, news cannot be copyrighted as it relates to established facts, not ideas. Copyright is all about ideas.

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ORIGINAL: Glasgow

For example, think of all the quotes you see on profiles. Obviously, the person copied the quote. Does this mean that every single person who has a quote in their profile is a criminal? Of course not; under fair use laws, they can certainly quote whomever they please.



This is also not true. Anything you write here, or upload by way of a photograph, for example, you are assigning rights to the website who publishes your words and images here on this website. You quoting someone else's words in a thread and reproducing them in the same thread, or even another thread, doesn't change the fact that the words are published on the website.

Note the above quote that I am making of your words, where it says 'Original: Glasgow', you wrote those words, I'm quoting them for relevance but they are still here published on the same website.

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ORIGINAL: Glasgow

As you can see, I've quoted your post myself! Say you did not want me to quote it, and threatened me with copyright laws. You would not win, because I am quoting your post to use in a public discussion. You know where else I could post it with the same argument? Blogs, news websites, newspapers, television... fair use is a wonderful thing.



Fair use isn't the way around copyright laws that you seem to think it is.

News is in itself facts, not ideas so is not subject to copyright (which is concerned with ideas and creativity) but news reports, blogs and news articles are protected under copyright - which is why you see the (C) symbol at the end of the broadcast on somewhere on the newspaper.

You can quote freely here because the discussion is on the same website, but if you were to take the discussion to another website and use words published here you would be infringing copyright.

You cannot reproduce anything here from another website or publication without quoting its source, and even then you can only quote a certain amount or fragment - this is fair use.

Fair use doesn't allow you to use someone else's words or images elsewhere without their permission or quoting them.




urineme -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/14/2010 4:14:55 PM)

As I have noted before on this issue, the disclaimer offers no real protection, anyone doing a survey based on data found on this site will simply list the site's url, and possibly the screen-names gleaned-from in their appendix (which is seldom accessed) but beyond that, whatchagonnado? I SERIOUSLY doubt that a reputable survey would use such data as may be gleaned from this site, and I doubt that 99% of the subscribers TO this site would ever see any such survey's appendix in order TO file a snowballs-chance-in-hell tort. About all you'd ever see in the way of results would be something like "88% of women claining to be dominatrixes listed strapon use as a preference". Prove from that who's data was used.  People fail to realize how much privacy they surrender in such a way as to make ANY control over what they post to the internet impossible.

William




ShaharThorne -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/14/2010 4:56:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Damn that KoM for not recognizing the importance of yarn....we should start a petition or some other rebellious yarn movement!


Thanks. I do appreciate it!


I got 4 projects of yarn...and I am guarding them with my hooks...ARGH!




DomImus -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/14/2010 5:14:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Glasgow
7. Once again, I'm 99.8% sure that this clause offers no legal protection of any kind whatsoever.


I'm 99.8% sure that anyone with enough money and determination could destroy you and ruin your life if they chose to pursue the violation of said clause.




LadyCimarron -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/14/2010 9:36:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

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ORIGINAL: Glasgow
7. Once again, I'm 99.8% sure that this clause offers no legal protection of any kind whatsoever.


I'm 99.8% sure that anyone with enough money and determination could destroy you and ruin your life if they chose to pursue the violation of said clause.



This is true and if someone plagarizes something you wrote and made money from it you probably could sue because they profited from your work. But the disclaimers that people are using here are saying that their profile and posts cannot be referenced in a STUDY. Once whatever you write hits the internet, its is information available for public viewing. If the person using the info. give the citation where they got it from, its not plagarizing.




Syrox -> RE: This 'NOTICE' thing people put in their profiles... (6/15/2010 4:41:30 AM)

The answer is simple... LEARN TO WATERMARK!




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