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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 8:31:25 AM

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the WBC has cleverly kept things in litigation for many years with the IRS. The family is all about suing.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 8:40:45 AM

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One change to U.S. law I'd like to see is the suer responsible for ALL court costs, both sides, in the event of a loss in a civil suit.

Yes, I can see problems with that. But I think the problems from frivolous and nuisance suits exceed them.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 10:11:29 AM

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please show me one mainstream Catholic or Christian organization that stands next to these assholes.
Don't blame Catholics nor Christians

Hey, mike, the Westboro folks are against Catholics too. Catholics, gays, and Jews... if you added in blacks and gypsies, it'd be the same folks that Hitler rounded up.!

Steven, it sounds like the WBC would be pretty compatable with the KKK.
Let us know what those fuckers do today. And pray for heavy rain and falling temperatures.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 12:42:53 PM

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I've thought about attacking the sources of their funding. More research is needed. But riddle me this: how does one start an IRS investigation? WBC is a tax-exempt church (503-c, I think). I've always assumed the definition the Feds use to determine such status was fairly narrow. Maybe not. Despite the WBC being very "lawyered-up", an IRS Tax Fraud case could keep them grounded for a while. Just sayin'...

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This whole church consists of Fred Phelps and his extended family.

As far as being "lawyered-up", Phelps himself is a disbarred lawyer and many members of his immediate family are practicing attorneys.

This is nothing more than a family cult, but they have the legal knowledge that has allowed them to skirt the edges of liability for their actions.

Their financing appears to come strictly from the funds of the family.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 12:47:45 PM

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What would the members of the WBC think if we showed up at their congregation's funerals with signs that say "Thank God for dead members of the WBC".

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 1:11:21 PM

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One change to U.S. law I'd like to see is the suer responsible for ALL court costs, both sides, in the event of a loss in a civil suit.

Yes, I can see problems with that. But I think the problems from frivolous and nuisance suits exceed them.

Here is one of the problems with that:

Lawsuit against Westboro Baptist Church

On March 10, 2006, WBC picketed the funeral of Marine Lance Corporal Matthew A. Snyder, who died in combat in Iraq on March 3, 2006. On June 5, 2006, the Snyder family sued Fred Phelps, WBC, and unnamed others for defamation, invasion of privacy, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

On October 31, 2007, WBC, Fred Phelps and his two daughters, Shirley Phelps-Roper and Rebekah Phelps-Davis, were found liable for invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress. A federal jury awarded Snyder's father $2.9 million in compensatory damages, then later added a decision to award $6 million in punitive damages for invasion of privacy and an additional $2 million for causing emotional distress (A total of $10. 9 million). The organization said it wouldn't change its message because of the verdict.

........On February 4, 2008, Bennett upheld the ruling but reduced the punitive damages from $8 million to $2.1 million. The total judgment then stood at $5 million. Court liens were ordered on church buildings and Phelps' law office in an attempt to ensure that the damages were paid.

........An appeal by WBC was heard on September 24, 2009. The federal appeals court ruled in favor of Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church, stating that their picket near the funeral of LCpl Matthew A. Snyder is protected speech and did not violate the privacy of the service member's family, reversing the lower court's $5 million judgment.

On March 30, 2010, the federal appeals court ordered Albert Snyder to pay the court costs for the Westboro Baptist Church, an amount totaling $16,510. Political commentator Bill O'Reilly agreed on March 30th to cover the costs, pending appeal.

A writ of certiorari was granted on an appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States, so the case will come up for review in the court's next term in October 2010.

(Fred Phelps - Wikipedia)

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 2:24:23 PM

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Term's right, deadmen don't sue.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 2:26:59 PM

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Term's right, deadmen don't sue.

But their families do, unfortunatly.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 4:13:29 PM

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Wow! Look at the cool topics you guys bring up when I'm not around (due to work obligations). Term, I agree that the world would be a better place without these people. If they are truly doing God's will then maybe he'll call them home soon. In truth, I don't think he wants them around him either. Popeye, umm.... wristrockets can definately kill. Not that I think its a bad thing in the case of these assclowns.
Why can't we just turn a water hose on them like we used to do to antiNuke protesters who tried to climb onto or throw paint on Navy ships? When the water hits with enough force behind it, they stop worry about their protest signs and start hoping for a soft landing.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 5:40:38 PM

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But if your angling to attack someones God or religious stance with asinine accusations of mental illness

I think he was pointing out jokingly that the idea of Yahweh creating a human sacrifice of himself to himself in order to protect us from himself for a sin we didn't commit is complete nonsense.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 8:46:12 PM

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Well, they picketed Temple Emanuel noisily this morning, from 10 to 10:30. There was a Bat Mitzvah that morning, starting at 10:30. So only the attendees who were late would miss the Phelpsites.

About sixty of us showed up to counterprotest, including me and my friend GOFkat (http://www.collarme.com/personals/v/1053815/details.htm). Another local kink couple showed up as well, undoubtedly due to a request on fetlife. Out of respect to the Bat Mitzvah, we moved to in front of the preschool. The WBC protesters had no such scruples, and demonstrated in front. There were only six or seven of them, but they were singing Amazing Grace loudly, and held placards showing Obama with devil horns, and statements like Jews Killed Jesus and Your Rabbi is a Whore. A really obnoxious intrusion into a milestone in a young teen's life.

They clearly were hoping for confrontation through being belligerent.

No violence, but a lot of nastiness.

Kansas can keep them.

They also hit Temple Sinai earlier that day, and Comedy Works Friday evening as well. And another Jewish group Saturday afternoon/evening.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 9:01:38 PM

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Kansas can keep them.

Steven, that is just plain MEAN of you!

Honestly the group needs to be taken out.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/24/2010 9:21:19 PM

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Why don't all of us get together, head up to their "church", and protest during their service in front of their door rather then just talk about it?

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/25/2010 12:09:03 AM

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"One change to U.S. law I'd like to see is the suer responsible for ALL court costs, both sides, in the event of a loss in a civil suit."

Actually judges can and have done that. As a defendant just countersue for it. Can't do it is small claims, but you can in common pleas, at least in most states.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/25/2010 12:39:23 AM

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"stating that their picket near the funeral of LCpl Matthew A. Snyder is protected speech and did not violate the privacy of the service member's family"

That's one hell of a double edged sword there.

What is the standard then ? OK, as we know the KKK is dead, at least I know it, the current bunch of idiots bear no resemblence to it's founders or their goals. (don't be sururpised that you were lied to now) But let's say I want to burn a cross. Now if I plant a cross on a Black family's lawn I am just about a terrorist. What if I just plant the cross on my lawn across the street and burn it ? They can still see it and it will have a similar effect. If there is any effect it will not be a good one and I don't intend to do it, but what if I did ? Is it that much worse on their lawn in the light of the fact that we paupers actually own nothing ? and what about public land ?

In the same thing, what if I built a transmitter and blotted out the most popular radio station during that precious "drive time" that generates a good part of their revenue. Revenue aside what if my message was of hate and spurred people to violence ? What if I was as good as Hitler or Manson and could convice people to KILL KILL KILL ? What if I could incite a race riot like Manson wanted to do ? See I could do all that without ever trespassing. If you want details just ask.

Even if WBC is silenced, but can still carry their signs, which I will not call vile, but in this case their usage certainly is, what do we do ? Now we have to put up barriers at our funerals and the attendees can no longer look at the trees and embrace nature nor see the other graves and possibly gain some solace in that this is not the first time this has ever happened ?

If I were a high powered lawyer I could get a hell of alot of money out of these assholes. With assertions that they are self funded, what are they paying these people to do this, participate in their stupid demonstrations ?

It would seem so, because I don't think I could find ten people to do this for twenty bucks an hour each, They probably actually support their members then. Nothing buys power better than money. Do they live in a compound somewhere ? If so the same thing can happen to them as happened in Waco. But it might just not be the government doing it because they pissed so many people off.

I mean it, blow the bunch of them the fuck up and get away from the scene fast enough then there will of course be an investigation. List the possible suspects. That'll narrow it down to about 200,000,000.

They should be put out on the ice. If you don't know what that means, ask.

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/25/2010 1:13:24 AM

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- Best Wishes to the Patriot Riders

- the WBC (nah, let's make it the wbc, why capitalize?) are welfare frauds in addition to being hypocrites (they call it bleeding the beast)

- It would be great if the only reporting of the wbc was their location so oppostion protests could be caarried out

- Take away the media and the wbc probably would shrivel up and blow away

- I wonder why Fred Phelps is so stirred up about homosexuality?

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RE: The Westboro Baptist church in Colorado - 4/25/2010 1:41:46 AM

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"I wonder why Fred Phelps is so stirred up about homosexuality"

I have addressed that subject in the past. The fear of a homophobic is replaced by anger as a self defense mechanism of the human mind. If the person has physical strength, it may manifest itself in violence, which is why fagbashers exist. They somehow prove themselves by proving their hatred to others, thus distancing themselves from something that deep down, they might actually desire or seek. However they have not the bravery to accept what they are and seek out their true desires and this makes them jealous.

The physically strong are also drawn to the notion that might makes right. Well here in the US what happened is the fagbashers started getting bashed. The homosexuals worked out and learned to fight and sometimes the fagbashers wind up in a pool of blood, or running home with their tail between their legs. Some Women too, I know one who played football. Actually it is coming time to go see her, I really like her.

But at any rate, cowards can be smelt a mile away. They are the type who are loud and think they own the place wherever they go and get quiet real quick when someone walks in who is large, built, tough looking or has a weapon. That proves their actions are based upon insecurity.

Enough for now, I should be getting a hundred bucks an hour for this shit. But that is my analysis on the topic. I am not even cutting those people down, maybe it is simply not their fault that they are so fucking stupid. That doesn't make them worth the oxygen they breathe.

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