Termyn8or
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"So if someone gets someone else to kill somone for them - that absolves them then?"
I'm almost sorry I brought it up because it is a very large can of worms. I can't speak at all to some of the point because I do not embrace the idea of forgiveness except under certain circumstances. And Pilate washing his hands doesn't cut it.
But as a valid question I'll throw my idea out there. Many years ago I got robbed and shot in the face. My people scoured the streets looking for the perp. Obviously I was not killed, but if they would've found the guy, they surely would've killed him, and I never asked anyone to do it, they just did it. So in a case like that, who is to blame ? Does it matter if I condone it ? Does it matter if I gave an accurate description or what ? What if they actually found the shooter and killed him, where do I stand in the way of culpability ? Further what if they shot the wrong person ? If my description was inaccurate then what is my culpability ? In any case I had an airtight alibi being in the hospital. I am not talking about legal consequences here, but the moral.
When they nailed Jesus up, they also did that to thieves and others. There were no legal consequences. Some even mocked Him, giving him that thorny crown and all. Though not a Christian I find such an experience hard to imagine, and I have been through alot.
Now another worm of a slightly different color. Why did the Jews come out so adamantly against the movie "Passion Of The Christ" ? I don't think we even want to look in that direction, let alone go there.
And now there seems to be a piece of dirt in the last can of worms. Let's just suppose for a moment that WBC is actually right. Ludicrous I know but one needs to see more than one side of an issue to get depth perception so to speak. So they're right, the tolerance of Gays in the military - or in general is causing natural disasters, casualties in war and all that. OK, if that is actually true (LOL) then what are these "people of God" doing to fix the problem ? The antagonizing of people during their bereavment accomplishes WHAT ? In other words even if they were right, is that the proper remedy ? Is it fair and just ? Will the relatives of the fallen soldier take action------ and do just what ?
Maybe by some stretch they do actually have the right to attempt to foment intolerance of Gays. But even if so, this is after the fact, against people who didn't cause the percieved problem and is so hopelessly futile it isn't worth the busfare. All they did, not to coin a phrase here, is to pull a McVeigh. All they are doing is getting more and more people against them. Like I said there can't be a functioning brain among them, and as such I am bigoted against them. They are a waste of oxygen, no matter if they are right or wrong. But I have attacked it from the other side.
Their actions were hurtful to themselves and other and totally illogical. Tell you the truth, I would mow them down if they showed up at one of my family's funerals, but only because they disrupted something that is none of their fucking business. Their chants and signs would not befront me. But I would surely befront them. And I would lose a minute's sleep over it. But other people embrace their feelings in such a way that these people may have left emotional scars, and FOR NO GOOD REASON WHATSOEVER. And this is from someone who has no problem with revenge and/or people taking the law into their own hands.
My tolerance of others is limited to those who mind their own fucking business. You'll never meet a MF quite like me. And ironically I agree with some people more than they agree with themselves.
My ire is hard earned, and in this case they earned it.
T
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