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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 9:40:22 AM   
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It just proves that all women are inherently evil!



She just hadn't found the right Master .

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 9:41:29 AM   
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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:01:09 AM   
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She just hadn't found the right Master .


What, like Jeffffffffie found Domiguy?

Now that's a coupling that would inspire horror stories!

...or best-selling porn....


edited cos I can't spellllll today

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:05:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Freaking psychopaths. I hope they all get on a space ship and spin out of our orbit far far away.
Maybe she did it, maybe she didnt.

That horrid ritualistic bullshit is going on to this day.

Freaking psychopathic killers.

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:09:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, enough blacklisting, everybody who posted on this thread is awaiting approval. There is a profile out here by that name.  Some of you are awaiting several approvals cuz you posted on this thread several times.   Just because someones famous doesnt mean they are a real sumissive.

*NB: elleX you can get out of your guiltiness if you give me a really good blowjob, and I can hold your tits.

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:13:45 AM   
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OK, enough blacklisting, everybody who posted on this thread is awaiting approval.=



I KNEW it! Ron WAS ModXI!

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:34:03 AM   
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OK, enough blacklisting, everybody who posted on this thread is awaiting approval. There is a profile out here by that name.  Some of you are awaiting several approvals cuz you posted on this thread several times.   Just because someones famous doesnt mean they are a real sumissive.

*NB: elleX you can get out of your guiltiness if you give me a really good blowjob, and I can hold your tits.

I AM MODERATE!!!! I AM DOMINATE!!!!!

KA-CHING!!!!! PAY ME!!!!!!

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Hey how did you get a vanilla cone? I want that! Gibbed it to me!

I am eternally awaiting approval I am not holding my breath anymore.

G I M M E that C O N E!!!

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:34:43 AM   
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What in the wold does that have to do with BDSM?
This is an OFF TOPIC thread, it is NOT about BDSM, it is about a famous murderer.


Glad someone brought a bit of sanity to this thread, what the fuck does being a sociopath have to do with bdsm?

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:52:43 AM   
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Glad someone brought a bit of sanity to this thread, what the fuck does being a sociopath have to do with bdsm?



Well.... modern BDSM may (normally) be a SSC or RACK (or whatever acronym you like) activity.  However, it has not *always* been that way, obviously.  And there's nothing wrong with exploring the roots of the modern exploration of human sexuality and "kink" as it were. 

In addition, there are a WHOLE slew of individuals of both genders who *do* think that there's something absolutely erotic about this very ~sort~ of activity.  Perhaps not as extreme as the Countess and her sociopathic counterparts... but read through the profiles some time and see how many "dominants" outline their desires for something as close to what amounts to assault as possible without going to jail.  Or take a stroll through some of the "erotica" written here (and other places) and I think you'll find a LOT of this sort of "abduct the helpless individual, torture them for an extended period of time and then either keep them as a willing and devoted mind-crushed sex slave or bury the body because the thrill is gone, and go look for the next victim" stories.  It's a turn on for a lot of people.

It is not a bad idea to periodically revisit the topic and delineate the differences, then, between fantasy and reality, abuse and play/kink, and consenting and non-consenting activities (think it's black and white?  Apparently not, based on the number of posts about this all over this and every other "lifestyle" forum I've ever been a part of.

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:54:17 AM   
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What in the wold does that have to do with BDSM?
This is an OFF TOPIC thread, it is NOT about BDSM, it is about a famous murderer.


Glad someone brought a bit of sanity to this thread, what the fuck does being a sociopath have to do with bdsm?



Gee.. I think sadism has something to do with it.

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 10:57:29 AM   
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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 11:04:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		To Bondmaid123: very well put.
To Jefffff's declaration that all women are inherently evil, the same can be said for men, 'cuz we hear a whole lot about male serial killers & sickos. More than the female ones for the most part. It should be said that some People, regardless of their gender, are inherently evil. Bathory killed some 600. Hitler ( a man) killed well into the millions.



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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 11:26:24 AM   
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There is a rash of 'horror' movies out recently....The 'SAW' series, the '8 Movies to Die For' series, and others, why do you suppose this genre is so very popular; I suspect, It's the escapism being offered from being helpless, exploited by the powers that be, in actual life,...seeking revenge, even if it be only in fantasy, viewing what a person is incapable of doing in real life, (except for the few, Jeffrey Dalmers). There was a book on canabalism, ...The author started out wanting to write on an estoric, obscure topic, and discovered how commonplace the act is in modern day, hundreds upon hundreds of unsoved cases in police files of disappearances and murders, half eaten bodies......real horror...he was astonished and wrote the book anyway.

The Countess Bathory, was a murderer, sadistic, in her tortures and killings, no more worse than any of the murderers of today. What one knows of her is scant historic footnotes, the more detailed dialogues are most likely the fabrications of 'stimulus' fantasy. The Dracula syndrome, as it were, the historic facts are scant, mostly just a paragraph or two, except for the in depth writings of historians. Mostly all is 'hollywood fantasy'.....and no basis in actual history. The same with the Marguis DeSade....mostly all modern day exploitation writings are based in fantasy with no actual knowledge of Sade's writings or history.
The main populace loves the fantasy, the circus, and largely has no tolerance for truth, nor actual historic fact.

So...on with the circus, bring on the clowns and let them enlighten us.

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 11:51:45 AM   
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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 12:01:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mao, is responsible for over 500 million deaths, way more than Hitler, and Pol Pot runs a close second the Mao. And just think, Mao's China is a communist country, we embrace China, but cannot tolerate communism anywhere else...we even shop Wal-Mart, galore. American industries are nil, ....is everything made in China??????

And you guys debate which is more evil, men or women ???? You guys must be mentally challenged.

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 12:05:30 PM   
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What in the wold does that have to do with BDSM?
This is an OFF TOPIC thread, it is NOT about BDSM, it is about a famous murderer.
What's next, how Vlad was good Dom???
E. B. was a psychopathic killer using vitim's blood for medicinal or ritualistic purposes.
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Is this the BDSM part, your "musing" whether or not consensual BDSMers into sadomasochism have some genetic memory of psychopathic killers? If so, I'm kind of insulted by your presumption that I or any other consensual sadist has a genetically murderous heritage.
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E. B. was Hungarian which is now Slovakia. Because she had more than one dwelling and moved between them, it prolonged her detection. Also, police work wasn't quite as up to date then as it is now so her string of victims was notoriously large. They didn't ignore her and let her carry on just because of her wealth. They stopped her, arrested her, had a trial and jailed her in confinement until her death.

One consistent fact was that she hired people to acquire girls for their blood. Her main drive as a psychopathic killer was using blood for medicinal/ritualistic bathing purposes. Her sadistic mutilations, burnings and etc were voiced as hearsay from her trial.
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You said not many famous killers predate E. B. If you want to become a fan of famous serial killers with outstanding sadistic performances, you should take a look at Vlad the Impaler! He has a head start on her by over 100 years. It was their combined behaviors, his sadism and her blood-lust that created the template for Dracula.

One of Vlad's famous moves was when he threw a banquet for the local surfs/peasants. They were so pleased by the feast and his generosity, they begged for more, they begged for money, they begged for relief from their misery. Vlad fulfilled their request. He left the building, locking them in behind him. Then he burnt them all alive . . . putting them “out of their misery”.
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I do not understand why people associate sadistic serial killers with the BDSM lifestyle or vice versa. The recent flood of threads that confuse serial killers with sadomasochism is ridiculous and this thread only adds to the fodder and confusion imo. Serial killers and sadistic personality disorder do not require masochists and they or their victims have NOTHING to do with sadomasochism or sadistic paraphilias! E.B. has NOTHING to do with "sadomasochism" and the OP is misusing that word by associating it to E. B. That is like associating rape with orgasms because they both involve sex in one way or another. The difference is consent (and intent).


i just read the first few lines of this......

i was simply exploring a person in history id never heard of before and the way the documentary was directed, made her come through as a sadist who had nothing to restrict her fascination for what she did.  i was curious about it and thought others might be too.

jeeze

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 12:09:19 PM   
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What in the wold does that have to do with BDSM?
This is an OFF TOPIC thread, it is NOT about BDSM, it is about a famous murderer.


Glad someone brought a bit of sanity to this thread, what the fuck does being a sociopath have to do with bdsm?



wheres the insanity i put this up for adult discussion because i thought it would be interesting - some of the people whove posted have got the point, and put some intelligent, thoughtful responses to it.

im not suggesting anyone is a parrallel to EB at all, fuck sake - but it is an interesting alternative to deSade (i thought) -

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 12:10:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or... we could just have off beat senses of humor.

I would think the Anteater might have given that away.

Unless of course, you are mentally challenged

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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 12:14:29 PM   
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Unless of course, you are mentally challenged

The population of China in 1950 was 563 million people.  So xbrand is claiming that one individual erased virtually the entire population of a country that has struggled with an overpopulation problem for many years.  That might give you some insight into the new poster's mental capacity.


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RE: elizabeth bathory - 4/15/2010 12:18:30 PM   
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Glad someone brought a bit of sanity to this thread, what the fuck does being a sociopath have to do with bdsm?



Well.... modern BDSM may (normally) be a SSC or RACK (or whatever acronym you like) activity.  However, it has not *always* been that way, obviously.  And there's nothing wrong with exploring the roots of the modern exploration of human sexuality and "kink" as it were. 

In addition, there are a WHOLE slew of individuals of both genders who *do* think that there's something absolutely erotic about this very ~sort~ of activity.  Perhaps not as extreme as the Countess and her sociopathic counterparts... but read through the profiles some time and see how many "dominants" outline their desires for something as close to what amounts to assault as possible without going to jail.  Or take a stroll through some of the "erotica" written here (and other places) and I think you'll find a LOT of this sort of "abduct the helpless individual, torture them for an extended period of time and then either keep them as a willing and devoted mind-crushed sex slave or bury the body because the thrill is gone, and go look for the next victim" stories.  It's a turn on for a lot of people.

It is not a bad idea to periodically revisit the topic and delineate the differences, then, between fantasy and reality, abuse and play/kink, and consenting and non-consenting activities (think it's black and white?  Apparently not, based on the number of posts about this all over this and every other "lifestyle" forum I've ever been a part of.



the shocking part was the non-consent and i know that sounds incredibly naive and why i put in my OP how wonderful SSC is.  youre points in youre post highlight the narrow margin that some fantasies visit for people and i suppose i did wonder a little how much our lifestyle, its rules and necessary protocols keep us safe sane and concensual.

its as much on the sub side too.  ill admit that an element of it fascinated me (the sick puppy) - i was surprised by that, but its the same with deSade aswell a curiosity within myself at finding myself at the wrong end of some of the profiles ive seen dotted around various sites over the years.

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