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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 8:28:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		One would have to define my side. I want the government out of our lives, to do only what they are supposed to do. We are far from that and it probably will never happen. Bickering "across the aisle" means nothing to me.

My side is to have the government mind it's own business, and in that yes, I want my side to win. I also realize that not everyone wants the same thing. Some want a nanny government, and to be taken care of even though it is actually at their own expense.

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 8:56:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a conspiracy and it started with George Bush and the attempted North American Union. Now it has transformed into a leftist conspiracy based on the same tactics Bush's NAU was. I think this will explain your question.

http://apathetic-usa.com

The leftists have figured out that if you continue to impoverish America with Illegal Aliens, and free trade, thereby eliminating the middle class, the populace will be forced to vote for the candidates who promise more benefits from the public treasury.

This is a larger threat to America than the red menace ever was, since people generally think of it as socialism and are unaware of the end game. In reality though, these people intend to rewrite the constitution prohibiting free speech that even remotely offends any one group, they intend to eventually take all our guns just like they have in Australia and England, and they intend to erase our borders allowing anyone in the world to fly in on a plane and stay forever. These are true radicals just as radical as Castro and Chavez.

It's a very scary time for America since we are at the tipping point. However, the last election replacing Kennedy is a good sign. If we win back seats in the next 2 elections we can save America from these people who truly do want to make you their socialists worker bees who will pay for the welfare of their supporters.

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 9:11:10 AM   
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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:01:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		This thread is hilarious. It's like a bunch of 10-year old kids sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories. A doddering 83-year old man bumbles and misspeaks during an interview, and the kids seize on one of his ill-chosen words and stay up all night scaring each other with more and more frightening tales of the big-government boogeyman.

Does anyone know on what page he's scheduled to become the anti-christ, so i know when to check back in for my next giggle?

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:03:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		 we can save America from these people who truly do want to make you their socialists worker bees

Can you tell me the difference between a capitalist worker bee and a socialist worker bee?

It reminds me of a line from Monty Python & the Holy Grail:
Here comes the king(not the worker bee). 
Which one is the king?
The one not covered in shit.

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:06:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mostly casual at this point, I am researching commonalities when the time presents itself..

While I'm certainly not advocating a course that leads to actual war I am drawing my concerns from rhetoric that I hear in day to day conversations and within various mediums of communication. And personally I myself am left to ponder an ocassion where men, clad in rags, their feet black and bloodied by frostbite trained, suffered and prepared to repell the forces of tyranny that subjugate man under the mantle of father knows best and we must all serve fathers aims. ( the terminoligy of father in this instance to mean the governing forces) I am actually concerned if all the actions of past and present administrations hasn't brought us to a point of vulnerability as a nation.

I think many are aware I travel a great deal in my labors and I interact closely with both ends of the econimic spectrum, at that I believe the illusion of a middle class seems speculative at best, so I'll leave it at a reference to the ends.

But in listening to the rhetoric of common folk from each social economic group that I encounter over the course of a day I am rather concerned over the divide, and this divide seems to be spawned by the talking points of those that would be the "leaders". So is this divide jusified and we as Americans have reached a turning point in our history where the issues that seperate us can not be bridged or are we in need of a leadership that recalls and can define what it is that America was contrived to be with regards to the concepts of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Both parties have made this an us against them process and the concept of a united we stand mentaility, where we actually work together to get over, past and rid yourself of difference seems more dramatic than ever.

While I drew similar contrast to that of a pre civil war timeframe, we have certainly at different times in our nations history met similar challanges, though at the present it seems to me that the flames of hate and discontent are rather defined along lines that may not find common ground.

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I hope all of you realize that the U.S. Civil War was a conflict the began with idealistic rhetoric over fundamental differences.

Care to expand on this?
Is this just a casual reference or do you see specific corolaries between the issues then and the issues now?



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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:16:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

One would have to define my side. I want the government out of our lives, to do only what they are supposed to do.


We certainly agree here, with this on the same side we are, mmmmmm. That seems to be a mostly American concept as our forefathers defined it.

I think it's the defining of doing what they are supposed to do is where we get into trouble with some folk.

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My side is to have the government mind it's own business, and in that yes, I want my side to win.



I agree again and believe that rewiting the constitution yet again with laws instructing us within daily details of life is an overreach and wrong.

While health care reform is needed, the last bill actually reformed very little in a positive way for the majority of the folks. And it certainly seems this present administration has even broader objectives to limiting freedoms.

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I also realize that not everyone wants the same thing. Some want a nanny government, and to be taken care of even though it is actually at their own expense.




A great point of order. To that I ask you, "if you live someowhere where the climate is no longer to your liking, do you move or alter the climate?"

I believe there are nanny states in existance, why do people not simply go there. England, Canada, France and other places seem nice in the brochures.


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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:22:38 AM   
xBullx


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Status: offline 		Wait a minute, didn't you say this conspiracy started with Bush? Now you are talking about taking back seats, so I am left to assume you are a Republican. How the hell do you expect me to trust your intentions yet again?

Come folks, I want more than politics of the norm... I believe in that dusty old parchment. We need a Consitutionalist Party. A party that really is of the people, by the people and most importantly for the people.

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

There is a conspiracy and it started with George Bush and the attempted North American Union. Now it has transformed into a leftist conspiracy based on the same tactics Bush's NAU was. I think this will explain your question.

http://apathetic-usa.com

The leftists have figured out that if you continue to impoverish America with Illegal Aliens, and free trade, thereby eliminating the middle class, the populace will be forced to vote for the candidates who promise more benefits from the public treasury.

This is a larger threat to America than the red menace ever was, since people generally think of it as socialism and are unaware of the end game. In reality though, these people intend to rewrite the constitution prohibiting free speech that even remotely offends any one group, they intend to eventually take all our guns just like they have in Australia and England, and they intend to erase our borders allowing anyone in the world to fly in on a plane and stay forever. These are true radicals just as radical as Castro and Chavez.

It's a very scary time for America since we are at the tipping point. However, the last election replacing Kennedy is a good sign. If we win back seats in the next 2 elections we can save America from these people who truly do want to make you their socialists worker bees who will pay for the welfare of their supporters.

http://apathetic-usa.com
www.numbersusa.com




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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:29:30 AM   
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This thread is hilarious. It's like a bunch of 10-year old kids sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories. A doddering 83-year old man bumbles and misspeaks during an interview, and the kids seize on one of his ill-chosen words and stay up all night scaring each other with more and more frightening tales of the big-government boogeyman.



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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:34:37 AM   
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Bob Chapman says forced vaccinations are part of the reform.

No that's just business a usual...$billions more in profits as revealed by those screamed, over dramatized so-called great pandemics...that never were. Having no traction anymore...they need another profit mandate.

Who were those 'forced' to vaccinate anyway BTW ? Were school children ? That's all I think possible.

The WHO is now a privatized branch of big pharma...look it up.

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:42:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

This thread is hilarious. It's like a bunch of 10-year old kids sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories. A doddering 83-year old man bumbles and misspeaks during an interview, and the kids seize on one of his ill-chosen words and stay up all night scaring each other with more and more frightening tales of the big-government boogeyman.



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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 10:44:37 AM   
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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 11:57:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

This thread is hilarious. It's like a bunch of 10-year old kids sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories. A doddering 83-year old man bumbles and misspeaks during an interview, and the kids seize on one of his ill-chosen words and stay up all night scaring each other with more and more frightening tales of the big-government boogeyman.

Does anyone know on what page he's scheduled to become the anti-christ, so i know when to check back in for my next giggle?


Panda, if Mitch McConnell or or anyone else in the congress said it it would scare me!
It doesn't matter which "side" or "who" says something like that there's no place in our govt. for that kind of thinking!

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 12:02:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

This thread is hilarious. It's like a bunch of 10-year old kids sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories. A doddering 83-year old man bumbles and misspeaks during an interview, and the kids seize on one of his ill-chosen words and stay up all night scaring each other with more and more frightening tales of the big-government boogeyman.

Does anyone know on what page he's scheduled to become the anti-christ, so i know when to check back in for my next giggle?


Panda, if Mitch McConnell or or anyone else in the congress said it it would scare me!
It doesn't matter which "side" or "who" says something like that there's no place in our govt. for that kind of thinking!


Pops, the guy is old enough to have  voted for Roosevelt! He's 83. Ten seconds before he uttered that phrase, he said there were 300 people in America. What he said doesn't represent any way of thinking - what it represents is Alzheimer's. The next time you see him on the news, it will be a story about him driving his Buick the wrong way on the Interstate.


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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 12:10:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

This thread is hilarious. It's like a bunch of 10-year old kids sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories. A doddering 83-year old man bumbles and misspeaks during an interview, and the kids seize on one of his ill-chosen words and stay up all night scaring each other with more and more frightening tales of the big-government boogeyman.

Does anyone know on what page he's scheduled to become the anti-christ, so i know when to check back in for my next giggle?


Panda, if Mitch McConnell or or anyone else in the congress said it it would scare me!
It doesn't matter which "side" or "who" says something like that there's no place in our govt. for that kind of thinking!


Pops, the guy is old enough to have  voted for Roosevelt! He's 83. Ten seconds before he uttered that phrase, he said there were 300 people in America. What he said doesn't represent any way of thinking - what it represents is Alzheimer's. The next time you see him on the news, it will be a story about him driving his Buick the wrong way on the Interstate.


You are making a pretty good case against why he shouldn't be voting on matters of national importance, much less still serving in congress.

Just sayin, perhaps we should look at a few other of those that voted for this thing that showing signs of Alzheimer's.

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 12:15:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

This thread is hilarious. It's like a bunch of 10-year old kids sitting around a campfire telling ghost stories. A doddering 83-year old man bumbles and misspeaks during an interview, and the kids seize on one of his ill-chosen words and stay up all night scaring each other with more and more frightening tales of the big-government boogeyman.

Does anyone know on what page he's scheduled to become the anti-christ, so i know when to check back in for my next giggle?


Panda, if Mitch McConnell or or anyone else in the congress said it it would scare me!
It doesn't matter which "side" or "who" says something like that there's no place in our govt. for that kind of thinking!


Pops, the guy is old enough to have  voted for Roosevelt! He's 83. Ten seconds before he uttered that phrase, he said there were 300 people in America. What he said doesn't represent any way of thinking - what it represents is Alzheimer's. The next time you see him on the news, it will be a story about him driving his Buick the wrong way on the Interstate.



Panda, if that's the case then fair enough. If a ten year old said that it would be scary.
Congressman Dingell's office should admit the error and issue a retraction.
Perhaps it's time for him to move to Florida if he's getting that bad.

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 12:16:48 PM   
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Just sayin, perhaps we should look at a few other of those that voted for this thing that showing signs of Alzheimer's.



...and, perhaps, while we're witch hunting to find medical reasons to dismiss those we disagree with, we can scan those who voted against adequate health care for 30plus million american citizens for Antisocial Personality Disorder, we can scan the Tea Baggers for paranoid schitzophrenia and we can scan Brain for a....er...brain.

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 12:22:03 PM   
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You are making a pretty good case against why he shouldn't be voting on matters of national importance, much less still serving in congress.

Just sayin, perhaps we should look at a few other of those that voted for this thing that showing signs of Alzheimer's.


Oh, you get no argument there. I don't know how in the world some of these fossils get re-elected. Do they coast through their entire campaign without having to give a single speech? Nobody in their district notices how their thought process has deteriorated? That's the really scary thing about this, IMO. Not that the federal government is going to tattoo our foreheads and put us in camps, but that so many of our elected representatives have  serious questions about their competence.

By the way... as an aside, we were involved in a somewhat complex debate the other day about several issues at once. I see that you replied to me, but I wasn't on the Politics forum until today. I don't want to seem as though I'm ducking away from that, but the thread seems to have died. If you'd like me to resurrect the thread, I'll be happy to pick it up again; but regardless, I want to make one thing clear - no, I don't see you as the enemy. I see you as a good man who thinks very differently about some things, and is frankly wrong about  some of them - but still a good man. I'll either pick the thread up or let it drop, as you wish, but if we're letting it drop I don't want to walk away from it without at least correcting that apparent misimpression.


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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 12:22:15 PM   
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Just sayin, perhaps we should look at a few other of those that voted for this thing that showing signs of Alzheimer's.



...and, perhaps, while we're witch hunting to find medical reasons to dismiss those we disagree with, we can scan those who voted against adequate health care for 30plus million american citizens for Antisocial Personality Disorder, we can scan the Tea Baggers for paranoid schitzophrenia and we can scan Brain for a....er...brain.

Are you seriously suggesting this bill is going to provide adequate health care for 30 million Americans? This bill while doing a few very worthwhile things is about insurance, it didn't do anything for increasing the number of doctors or the quality of them. It can even be argued that with announcements by Walgreens, the Mayo clinic, and a few others that they are no longer going to accept medicare or medicaid patients, that this bill made getting adequate health care more difficult.

Oh and don't worry there are quite a few Repubs in my state that will be feeling the wrath of the voting populace.

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RE: Now this is scary! - 3/25/2010 12:26:35 PM   
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Panda, if that's the case then fair enough. If a ten year old said that it would be scary.
Congressman Dingell's office should admit the error and issue a retraction.
Perhaps it's time for him to move to Florida if he's getting that bad.


I'll admit I found it troubling too, until I saw who it was and remembered this is a guy who was one of the subjects of "Jurassic Park." I remember my grandmothers when they were his age, and I wouldn't have put any credence in anything either of them said beyond "It's raining today." He may be on my "side" ideologically, but in my opinion it's time for him to move on.


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