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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 6:24:53 PM   
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... "Waterloo" ,and than fail to ...


Mike, it would be a lot easier for me to follow the logic of your posts if you could please learn the proper usage for "then" and "than".

Just sayin...

Oh and on topic...the republicans did offer alternative plans...6 of them exactly. It was strife within the Democratic party that lead to the fuck up that is the entire health care "reform" bill. The reality is that America didn't need a "health care reform" bill. America needed and still needs a "health insurance" regulations bill.

Now back to your regularly scheduled excuses for fucked up legislation.

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 6:29:05 PM   
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Are you in any way claiming that the Republican stance was....reform is needed lets work with the Democrats to craft a comprehensive and fundamental reworking of the system?
If you are, you need to send me some of what you are smoking...their position all along was one of "we can't afford to allow this man and this administration to be sucessful in this...otherwise we won't get our power back"

Nope, some were definitely going to vote against any bill that was penned by that side of the aisle for the reason you state. However, there were definitely some that not only wanted to participate but attempted to, and were locked out of the process because the majority thought its super majority would be enough to get anything passed.

Mike, part of the problem is exactly what you are doing here. Painting everybody on the other side of the discussion with the same brush, which just leads to more polarization. There are some around here that I don't agree with on almost every political stance, but I still consider them to be good friends and we debate the substance (most of the time) of those disagreements.

I long for the day of statesmen, the type that would lock themselves in a room with the opposition a few bottles of brandy and hash out what they can agree upon, instead of focusing all of their time on where the differences are.

If we continue on this downward spiral of hatred based on ideology, there isn't much hope for us as a nation of states. I have begun to fear the worst is unavoidable, I pray that I am wrong.

I wish you well my friend,
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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 6:34:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
... "Waterloo" ,and than fail to ...


Mike, it would be a lot easier for me to follow the logic of your posts if you could please learn the proper usage for "then" and "than".

Just sayin...

Oh and on topic...the republicans did offer alternative plans...6 of them exactly. It was strife within the Democratic party that lead to the fuck up that is the entire health care "reform" bill. The reality is that America didn't need a "health care reform" bill. America needed and still needs a "health insurance" regulations bill.

Now back to your regularly scheduled excuses for fucked up legislation.

boi

I assure you in theory I know the proper use...while typing things can and do sometimes get scrambled.My apologies for the gaffes...try to work with me though,I'm sure given the rest of the sentence to work with ,a bright girl like you can decipher the mess

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 6:38:00 PM   
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I assure you in theory I know the proper use...while typing things can and do sometimes get scrambled.My apologies for the gaffes...try to work with me though,I'm sure given the rest of the sentence to work with ,a bright girl like you can decipher the mess


I understand the in theory part...and it stops be for almost a full minute at times because I have to reread the sentence several times to catch the foul and make sense of it. And it's something that happens quite frequently with your posts. You're a bright guy...I'm sure you can get the correct word out.

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 6:42:19 PM   
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Thad I have to disagree with you here(cheerfully of course)I'm not the one who is painting with one brush ...The Republicans did that themselves when they voted en mass against this bill.Is it really your contention that minus an actual group decision every damm one of the Republican representatives,acting independently, to reach the same conclusion.
That my friend does not stand up to scrutiny....I am saying that in this instance they acted of one mind....and you accuse me of painting with one brush...their own actions made only one brush necessary
Hell the democrats could never reach that level of party unity...which makes their possession of the majority just a little misleading!

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 7:19:29 PM   
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Are you in any way claiming that the Republican stance was....reform is needed lets work with the Democrats to craft a comprehensive and fundamental reworking of the system?
Except the last, and best, memory will be the speeches made by Republicans saying they were for "some kind" of reform and wait on a vote until everyone knew what was in the Bill; versus the celebration of the Democrats who didn't deliver as promised?

Focus on the single issue of the Bill as is; who wrote the President's speech? All this is doing is proving the Republican side to be correct; they didn't know what they were voting for, even after the fact.
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...their position all along was one of "we can't afford to allow this man and this administration to be successful in this...otherwise we won't get our power back"
And this result helps or hurts that cause? What's worse having a commercial of the President's speech and the actual result of the bill's passage as representative of the Bill or no Bill at all?

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 7:32:31 PM   
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I think we're all going to see some "political realities" come Nov 2nd.

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 7:44:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I assure you in theory I know the proper use...while typing things can and do sometimes get scrambled.My apologies for the gaffes...try to work with me though,I'm sure given the rest of the sentence to work with ,a bright girl like you can decipher the mess


I understand the in theory part...and it stops be for almost a full minute at times because I have to reread the sentence several times to catch the foul and make sense of it. And it's something that happens quite frequently with your posts. You're a bright guy...I'm sure you can get the correct word out.

boi

Boi,I take no glee in pointing out you probably intended to type "me" rather than(was that correct) "be".What do you say we stop with grading the posts and simply respond to them....because I have to be honest with you....in prioritzing the issues I have in my life....Your need to reread a sentence I typed don't make the cut.
By the way I lied...I took a little bit of glee in your typo...just a little bit.

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 7:46:05 PM   
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I think we're all going to see some "political realities" come Nov 2nd.
[/quoteThat we certainly can agree on...though I'm guessing we would differ over who will get "smacked" with these realities.

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/24/2010 8:05:00 PM   
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I think we're all going to see some "political realities" come Nov 2nd.


Why wait?

I think we can manage a late night "session" or town.

IMPEACH THEM ALL!

dissolve the government. 

Why wait?

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/25/2010 4:20:15 AM   
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Thadius, I lifted this from the article you quoted.

"Under the new law, insurance companies still would be able to refuse new coverage to children because of a pre-existing medical problem"

As bad is it is at time, this alone makes be thankfull that we have the NHS in the UK. It is incredible to think children could be refused help for any reason, let alone money.


Where did you get the impression that hospitals here in the U.S. turn away kids because they're not insured?

Any child, in any condition can walk into any hospital here and get treated for any illness, regardless of insurance coverage.

Not to mention most states already have programs to pay off the medical bills for the poor.

Here in Indiana we have a program called Health Care for the Indigent or HCI that pays for ALL treatment for any life threatening illness suffered by a resident of the state.

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/25/2010 8:24:25 PM   
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People have no idea how expensive this health care is going to be, and the democrats aren't going to let them find out until 2014 when all the provisions kick in. By hiding the truth they hope they can survive the next 2 elections. Basically the taxes and medicare cuts kick in for several years before the benefits pay out. When republicans tried to improve the bill by adding amendments they were shot down. I also have a feeling that private schooling for autistic children will be included in this and that runs into hundreds of thousands of dollars for each kid. When in reality we already have special ed teachers that could be taught the very same techniques. God forbid another amnesty passes, because then we will have 15 million illegals who will immediately receive free health care, then 30 million more over the next decade from chain migration, and with all the babies born in that decade we are easily looking at 50 million more people on the gov. dole. There's no possible way our health care system can afford that. Thanks to 10 million Illegal aliens our health care system is already on the brink of collapse and they currently don't go in for every little thing. But they will when they have a government pass card. Here a list of amendments the republicans offered but democrats absolutely refused. If you are a senior citizen or have a parent who is this should be extremely troubling for you. If you are a liberal who wants his healthcare legacy to be successful, you must join www.numbersusa.com to help us stop amnesty.

Senators voted on 29 consecutive GOP amendments between 5:30 p.m. Wednesday and 2:30 a.m. Thursday, when they recessed.

By 57-42, Democrats rejected an amendment by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., barring federal purchases of Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs for sex offenders. Coburn said it would save millions, while Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., called it "a crass political stunt."

Democrats also deflected GOP amendments rolling back the health law's Medicare cuts; killing extra Medicaid funds for Tennessee and other state-specific spending; barring tax increases for families earning under $250,000; and requiring the president and other administration officials to purchase health care from exchanges the statute creates.

The landmark legislation that Obama signed Tuesday would provide health care to 32 million uninsured people, and make coverage more affordable to millions of others by expanding the reach of Medicaid and creating new subsidies. Insurance companies would be forbidden to refuse coverage to people with pre-existing illnesses, individuals could buy policies on newly created exchanges and parents could keep children on their family plans until their 26th birthdays.

The $938 billion, 10-year price tag would be financed largely by culling savings from Medicare and imposing new taxes on higher income people and the insurance, pharmaceutical and medical device industries.

www.apathetic-usa.com



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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/26/2010 6:29:47 AM   
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I am saying that in this instance they acted of one mind....and you accuse me of painting with one brush...their own actions made only one brush necessary


So, with democrats also being part of the vote against the bill...are those Democrats too trying to make this Obama's "Waterloo", or perhaps is your brush a little too wide after all?

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/26/2010 7:23:46 AM   
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Paper roses for YOU.

real ones for me.

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RE: Get out the duct tape, the new ship needs some patc... - 3/26/2010 7:37:55 AM   
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Where I live there is a program for poorer children called CHIP, there is WIC for needy mothers to be, and there are free clinics, Catholic hospitals which turn no one away, the Shriners, and so on. 

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Where did you get the impression that hospitals here in the U.S. turn away kids because they're not insured?

Any child, in any condition can walk into any hospital here and get treated for any illness, regardless of insurance coverage.

Not to mention most states already have programs to pay off the medical bills for the poor.

Here in Indiana we have a program called Health Care for the Indigent or HCI that pays for ALL treatment for any life threatening illness suffered by a resident of the state.



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