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FatDomDaddy -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 12:20:20 AM)

One would think, were they familar with your actual political postings, that you yourself there slave would find markets delaying critical health care as unacceptable.




slvemike4u -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 12:24:48 AM)

Thats twice you referred to me as "slave"..let me ask you something FDD.....do I come here acting all slavely or something?
Or are you somehow confusing a lifestyle choice as an actual occupation or state of being?



subfever -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 12:28:25 AM)

Using FR

I don't know everything that's inside the bill, so I can't say for sure.

However, my distrust of politicians in general, and the lobby system being what it is... my guess is that this package will serve business more than it will serve the people. This often being the case in Washington, those on the far right should be embracing this package... lol



MstrPBK -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 12:35:15 AM)

The question is a fair one ... why have a bill be passed this month only to have it be enacted in 4 years. Let me attempt to answer the question; but our politicians know the answer for sure .. here goes:

1) My guess is that President Obama has something else on his table he wants to pursue which might be directly related or relative to what is contained in said healthcare bill.
2) My second guess is quite political ... Many times a bill will have a delayed enacted time so that the politicians can have distance from the bill passed. Note it is 4 years ... also note that MOST of the politicians will have had to deal with a reelection campaign by that time.
3) My third consideration is that ... as suggested above there is a strong element of economics which needs to be addressed on the corperate AND populace side of this bill.

It is true that it seems that SSI, Welfare, Medicare and other welfare program legislation can be passed and enacted in one year. One would think enactment of this Healthcare bill would be faster.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA



MstrPBK -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 12:50:01 AM)

Post Script: I also expect a few court appeals on this bill too ... it will be in some ways far from perfect.

NstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA



dixiedumpling -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 12:59:11 AM)

My question is this: If it's a good bill and very much needed, then why do congresspersons have to be bribed into voting for it?



slvemike4u -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 1:09:29 AM)

Because congresspersons like receiving bribes....both the above board types(deals for their own constituents) and those more shady types.



MstrPBK -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 1:24:26 AM)

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My question is this: If it's a good bill and very much needed, then why do congresspersons have to be bribed into voting for it


I never inferred it was a good bill ...

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA



willbeurdaddy -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 1:28:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MstrPBK

quote:

My question is this: If it's a good bill and very much needed, then why do congresspersons have to be bribed into voting for it


I never inferred it was a good bill ...

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA


I believe it was a rhetorical question,not addressed to you. Esp. since it was in response to slvmike's post, but presumably an FR.

And the answer is obvious. The bill is horrendous. If it were a good bill, but didnt happen to meet all of the desires of the "diverse views of the Democratic caucus" as Ms Botox 1940 likes to claim, it still would have passed long ago. It will do nothing it is intended to do, and does all of the things the Blowboy said he wouldnt do.



Sanity -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 3:44:05 AM)


Because its so horridly expensive that if its passed now it would put the economy into a death spiral now?

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Political realities demand passage now.
Market realities demand that the industry have time to adjust to the new realities.
Was that really that difficult to decipher FDD?



Louve00 -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 4:09:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Why is this healthcare law not going into effect for four year and in some cases six???

What is critical about that?


I can't answer your question.  But I do know it sucks.  It strikes a memory for me about the new credit card bill he signed into law, not taking effect til Feb of this year.  That gave the cc companies lots of time to give us the screws in grand fashion until the time came.  Another wonder I have is how is letting it just sit there, waiting to come into effect, going to help with the deficit....and (I guess I have to say it, cuz ya'll are too...) help all those dying people that die because they don't have insurance.  Hopefully someone will explain the logic behind it.  I can't.



tazzygirl -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 6:24:32 AM)

~FR

Health Cost Hijinks?

I listened to a recent FactCheck Radio podcast, which stated that the health care plan would save money over a 10-year period. Is this the first 10 years or any 10 years? I believe taxing would start first for about 4 years before any benefits were paid. That means in the first 10 years there would be 10 years of income and only 6 years of service. I could make a plan like that work!

Jim Bilger
Arlington, Texas

FactCheck.org responds: The CBO’s estimate is for 2010-2019. The small business tax credit would begin immediately, and fees on certain manufacturers and insurers would start bringing in revenues in 2010. The Senate bill’s excise tax on high-premium plans would start bringing in money in 2013, according to the CBO. The mandate for coverage would not begin until 2014, so tax penalty payments would not come in until that year.

http://factcheck.org/2010/03/factcheck-mailbag-week-of-march-9-march-15/

Koop’s False Claims
The 93-year-old former surgeon general claims seniors would be 'too old' in the United Kingdom to get a pacemaker or joint replacement. He's wrong.
February 1, 2010

http://factcheck.org/2010/02/koops-false-claims/

Perhaps if the lies stopped, we could find the truth.



Sanity -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 6:43:14 AM)


Someone needs to fact check "FactCheck" because there is no CBO score:


quote:

Thursday, March 18, 2010
[image]http://cdn.nationalreview.com/images/blog_dotted_divider.gif[/image]

What CBO Score? 

Okay, so I am looking over the CBO letter, and the first thing that strikes me is this disclaimer:
Although CBO completed a preliminary review of legislative language prior to its release, the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and refinement of the budgetary projections.
This suggests that the CBO has been trying to score a moving target, with Democrats making frequent tweaks to whip votes and/or hit deficit targets. So the CBO isn't sure they've scored the final bill — hence they are calling this a "preliminary estimate." Congress Daily's Anna Edney reports that a final CBO score will come out Saturday or Sunday, a most unfortunate bit of imprecision considering the vote on the bill will occur on the latter.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjYzMTJjMmYyYjM1ZGUyMWUxMDQwMjNiMDJmZWEzOTg=



TheHeretic -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 7:01:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

What's the matter with October 1st???


Given the number of Presidential "deadlines" that proved to be nothing but rhetoric, what makes you think they'd pass the thing by then?



tazzygirl -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 7:07:37 AM)

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Someone needs to fact check "FactCheck" because there is no CBO score:


Your quote has nothing to do with FactCheck. Nor did the posting from FactCheck include the word "score"

so, exactly wtf are you talking about?



Sanity -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 7:22:47 AM)


What part don't you understand? factcheck is touting the CBO numbers on the behalf of Queen Pelosi's Reconciliation Act of 2010 while admitting that (the CBO) "...agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and refinement of the budgetary projections."


http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11355/hr4872.pdf

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

Someone needs to fact check "FactCheck" because there is no CBO score:


Your quote has nothing to do with FactCheck. Nor did the posting from FactCheck include the word "score"

so, exactly wtf are you talking about?



mnottertail -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 7:34:19 AM)

Can you cite me the link to where they are touting the numbers as whatever the fuck it is you are saying it is they are doing so deviously? They are explicity saying that these are the CBO estimates given what the scuttlebutt is this week or that week, and I have read several articles in FactCheck regarding the healthcare bill, nowhere are they doing anything disingenuously that I can see.







tazzygirl -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 7:39:35 AM)

whew! Thanks Master Ron. i thought i was missing something. seems all im missing is made up information.



Lucylastic -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 7:49:39 AM)

Tazzy ,fantasy and unicorns and anger looking like paranoia maybe?? smells like it to me



BeingChewsie -> RE: My Question... if its so CRITICAL to pass it NOW... (3/19/2010 7:53:31 AM)

Quick reply:

This will give hospitals and other medical service providers four years to shed off enough jobs to try to stay in business and remain profitable. You can't expect to tell an entire industry to do more with "less", pay more in fees and taxes with "less", and not expect their hired guns (consultants and MBA's) to point out that variable costs must be cut...that means labor...employees...people. It won't be physicians, since they generate income, it will be nurses, and other ancillary personnel going bye-bye, more middle class jobs, gone. The one sector actually hiring people, health care, is about to do a turn-around when this bill passes. When that train comes to a grinding halt it is going to impact the rest of the very fragile economy in not so positive ways. I know a lot of households that have only been able to survive right now or hold onto homes because one spouse was working in the health care industry.



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