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RE: Hypnosis and bdsm - 3/19/2010 7:55:42 AM

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i've had it done once and i really can't describe what it was like. it felt kind of surreal and i want to to it again. and it wasn't like i was hypnotised into being submissive because i'm naturally submissive =P

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RE: Hypnosis and bdsm - 3/20/2010 9:07:34 AM

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Well, if your sub has trouble sleeping, hypnosis is GREAT for that. You have no clue what hypnosis does, do you? Go read a fucking book.

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RE: Hypnosis and bdsm - 3/20/2010 10:11:59 AM

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Sserpentia, who are you speaking to, the OP? And what do you know about hypnosis yourself? Not being a sarcastic jerk here, I'm honestly curious.

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RE: Hypnosis and bdsm - 3/27/2010 6:42:35 PM

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A hypnotized subject isn't suddenly a doormat you can do anything with, and the whole "won't cause a person to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do" isn't any more accurate than saying a sub lost way down in subspace won't do things they wouldn't normally do. A subject can and will say no while in trance just like they can and will ignore even a well established trigger to one degree or another in the wrong circumstances. If you think of the relationship between hypnotist and subject similar to a gardener tilling a garden, one of the things they both need to do is clear out any rocks they stumble upon while doing their thing. The rock can be as simple as the subject saying no when told to imagine themselves tied up and unable to move, but these little bumps aren't typically all that hard to gently tamp down and nudge out of the way. Think of it as a process similar to slowly working a submissive up to the point of being able/ready to handle something commonly considered a bit heavy/extreme.

Sure there are very big bumps and rocks that a subject simply will not accept doing, but even those can be pushed out of away through various methods. Nobody is going to try and hump a backyard tree or give a shrub a lapdance for example, but they might if they believe the tree or shrub is someone they would do that with. The same holds true with triggers used at unacceptable times. I've had a subject into humiliation and a number of other things who also was given a trigger to freeze them in place when it was said, bondage without ropes or setup in a nutshell. After teasing said subject for a while about the idea of using it sometime when they were on their way to the bathroom to make them we their pants with some some very mild protests in return, I eventually used it in such a situation with every intention of removing it before it came to that point. Instead of freezing in place, the subject giggled a playful screw you and continued on to the bathroom without issues.

Like AmHypnotic said in his excellent post, hypnosis can add a great deal of enjoyment to a scene and easily allows for exploration of things that would be impossible/illegal (i.e. bdsm in public is typically bad)/dangerous/etc. It's cheap/free, capable of altering the subject's perception of reality, and doesn't require any gear. With a well conditioned subject you don't really even need any setup time in most cases, it's easy enough just to trigger them down into a state where you can work with them as a hypnotist if you aren't just using a trigger you've already left in place.

Hypnosis can be used to alter perceptions like drugs or alcohol since it's easy enough to make someone drunk or stoned with hypnosis, but that's something you would have to go out of your way to do to a subject. You can make a subject orgasm on command, take away the pleasurable part of actually having one, or even replace that pleasure with something else entirely as an example.

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RE: Hypnosis and bdsm - 3/28/2010 4:59:49 AM

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Just wondering..a while ago every profile seemed to mention hypnosis.
Is it so easy to do...can all people who say they can do it...really do it?
Or is it..just wishfull thinking to many..a mindset they think is "beeing under hypnosis"?

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RE: Hypnosis and bdsm - 3/28/2010 11:37:07 AM

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Hi,
Yes, I've used hypnosis to deepen online interaction for many years. Yes, my subjects do come, and display a ferocious loyalty and submission as well. Most of my subjects have served me, then gone on to face0-to-face submission.

My subjects were always aware of what was happening, and did want me to proceed. While serving me, they experienced much of the joys of submission. I did this using computer/voice or phone.

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RE: Hypnosis and bdsm - 3/28/2010 5:14:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

Just wondering..a while ago every profile seemed to mention hypnosis.
Is it so easy to do...can all people who say they can do it...really do it?
Or is it..just wishfull thinking to many..a mindset they think is "beeing under hypnosis"?

You can make a table with some wood and simple tools fairly easily, that doesn't mean that anyone who has wood and can use some simple tools can make a table. Hypnosis is the same way... not especially difficult, but of course not everyone who says they can do it are honest about their ability to actually do it. Much like the table example, some people will be more skilled than others.

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RE: Hypnosis and bdsm - 4/7/2010 4:36:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousPuppy

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ORIGINAL: Justme696
Just wondering..a while ago every profile seemed to mention hypnosis.
Is it so easy to do...can all people who say they can do it...really do it?
Or is it..just wishfull thinking to many..a mindset they think is "beeing under hypnosis"?

You can make a table with some wood and simple tools fairly easily, that doesn't mean that anyone who has wood and can use some simple tools can make a table. Hypnosis is the same way... not especially difficult, but of course not everyone who says they can do it are honest about their ability to actually do it. Much like the table example, some people will be more skilled than others.

It's easy as hell to induce a trance. People initially think this would be the most difficult part, but actually the challenge comes in with being responsible and knowing what you're doing with your suggestions. Wording things so they will only interpret your suggestion the way you intend (misinterpretations will still happen, have fun with them as long as they don't cause trouble), so they are as effective as possible, and so they're not counter-productive. Knowing how to handle abreactions, or as I like to call them, "land mines." Knowing where to draw the line, in the beginning, hypnotists likely will get a little bit of a high off of the experience, keep your head and be good, and avoid addictive language, I cringe when I hear things like "You're addicted to hypnosis." Knowing that, just like with any scene, renegotiating mid-scene is a BAD THING, but the temptation is likely more there than it is with any other kind of scene, because you'll get someone who you can honestly go "You want me to bite you?" "YES!" "How would your normal, conscious mind feel about this?" "It would freak the fuck out." "Ok, we'll talk about this ANOTHER time, ok?" "Yes sir." The challenge truly comes in after they're already in trance.

I'll steal a quote from a friend, and I wish I knew where he got the quote from, "Your first time using a hammer, everything looks like a nail." I've met people who, their first time using hypnosis successfully, thought they'd be able to handle anything and everything, including (permanent) behavior modification (just don't do it unless you have a lot of support and have a shitload of training, ok?), therapy, and so on.

One of which had a subject cry on him mid trance, and he panicked like crazy on the inside, but stayed calm enough to bring her to a safe place and bring her out of trance. He did the not-so-good move of asking about it immediately after, but after she cried a bit more, she openly told him what happened. She cried was because she imagined her mother talking to her based on a suggestion he had given her, and her mother was dead for over a decade. It wasn't a bad thing that had happened, but he wasn't prepared for an abreaction, or an unexpected and potentially negative reaction.

As I am a lay hypnotist, anything I feel borders on therapy, I avoid like the plague. This includes "simple" things like stopping smoking or helping someone lose weight, as there's more to it than saying to stop doing bad things. If I took classes on therapy, this might be another story, but I haven't done so yet.

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