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husband4fun -> Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 11:05:07 AM)

Has anyone here used hypnosis in bdsm play, as either a dom/domme or sub? Seems to me hypnosis is an underutilized discipline with great potential in this realm...




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 11:49:48 AM)

 
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Focus50 -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 12:42:50 PM)

Why "underutilized"? And tell us more of this "potential"....

My experience of subs is that they're more than willing to do as they're told. My layman's knowledge (or ignorance) of hypnosis is that you still can't get the subject to do something that goes against their values, principles and sense of justice etc. Which now makes me feel as though your motives aren't so honourable....

So like I said, tell us more.

Focus.




FukinTroll -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 12:48:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: husband4fun

Has anyone here used hypnosis in bdsm play, as either a dom/domme or sub? Seems to me hypnosis is an underutilized discipline with great potential in this realm...


Well... the bad news is: you are not going to be able to hypno the wife into submission. Hypnosis will not force someone to do something against their will our that is beyond their comfort level.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 12:52:17 PM)

I've hypnotized a sub during sex, yes, and a friend of mine is a professional hypnodomme.  It's a fetish, much like "panties" or "scat" are fetishes.  If you use the Search feature here, you'll find quite a few threads discussing it.




husband4fun -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 3:08:48 PM)

For the record, I didn't ask about this because I want to force anyone to do anything. Just seems like hypnosis would be an intriguing way to further heighten sensation and subspace...




FukinTroll -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 3:16:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: husband4fun

For the record, I didn't ask about this because I want to force anyone to do anything. Just seems like hypnosis would be an intriguing way to further heighten sensation and subspace...


Of course! What was I thinking?




husband4fun -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 3:53:44 PM)

LOL. You're too suspicious, Troll!




FukinTroll -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 3:55:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: husband4fun

LOL. You're too suspicious, Troll!


When will you humans ever understand the nature of Trolls. *rolls eyes*




RedMagic1 -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 4:03:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: husband4fun

LOL. You're too suspicious, Troll!

Ehhhh.  I think you'll agree I've played you straight so far, OP.  So perhaps you could answer a question for me.

Why did you choose your username?




Nslavu -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/10/2010 5:12:23 PM)

I'm only Dom because I was hypMotized.




husband4fun -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/11/2010 7:30:59 AM)

RedMagic1: I'm not sure what OP means, but my screen name is pretty straightforward. I'm married but I still indulge in fetish fun, always with my wife's blessing...




RedMagic1 -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/11/2010 7:44:19 AM)

Fair enough.  Now here's something to think about if you wish.  Suppose you're at a party and a new guy walks in.  He announces, "I'm married, just here for fun."  What would you think he meant by "fun?"

I think as long as you have that username, people are going to draw the "obvious" conclusion.  And, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure how incorrect they are.  Part of what I "heard" from you in your other thread was that you had not figured out a way to interleave your sexuality with your domestic responsibilities.  It seems your current framework is: vanilla life = burdens and responsibilities, kink = fun and freedom from responsibilities.  A tug-of-war like that will tear something apart -- either you, your wife, or your marriage.  I'll stop the lecture now, but if you don't address this, in great depth, there are going to be unfixable problems.




Nslavu -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/11/2010 9:12:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

Fair enough.  Now here's something to think about if you wish.  Suppose you're at a party and a new guy walks in.  He announces, "I'm married, just here for fun."  What would you think he meant by "fun?"

I think as long as you have that username, people are going to draw the "obvious" conclusion.  And, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure how incorrect they are.  Part of what I "heard" from you in your other thread was that you had not figured out a way to interleave your sexuality with your domestic responsibilities.  It seems your current framework is: vanilla life = burdens and responsibilities, kink = fun and freedom from responsibilities.  A tug-of-war like that will tear something apart -- either you, your wife, or your marriage.  I'll stop the lecture now, but if you don't address this, in great depth, there are going to be unfixable problems.



That was hypnotic. [:)]




AquaticSub -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/11/2010 9:30:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

quote:

ORIGINAL: husband4fun

Has anyone here used hypnosis in bdsm play, as either a dom/domme or sub? Seems to me hypnosis is an underutilized discipline with great potential in this realm...


Well... the bad news is: you are not going to be able to hypno the wife into submission. Hypnosis will not force someone to do something against their will our that is beyond their comfort level.



That isn't what you told me the other night! [:D]

To the OP: I actually hear hypnosis being brought up fairly often. I, personally, have no interest in it because I want to serve and pleasure out of a desire to do so. Therefore I seek out men who enjoy the same.

Honestly, I don't think it would heighten my subspace. I do go into a nice little trance from the floggers and whips. From what I've seen of putting people into hypnosis in documentries on the subject, I'd get really friggin' bored and start wiggling my ass to try and make the target more tempting.




Drifa -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/12/2010 12:48:45 PM)

Hypnosis is rather like using drugs or alcohol before a scene. It alters your perceptions and isn't the whole point of most sensation play to experience the actual sensations?

The only way I can see it being useful is for mind fuck, but I'd expect that you'd have potential for psychological problems if you stir the person's unconscious badly with your untrained technique.

Hypnosis will not cause a person to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. I think a blindfold and a well-set scene are probably a heck of a lot more fun and useful.




Acer49 -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/12/2010 2:42:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: husband4fun

Has anyone here used hypnosis in bdsm play, as either a dom/domme or sub? Seems to me hypnosis is an underutilized discipline with great potential in this realm...


Let us assume for the moment hypnosis does indeed work, Having someone under is no different than having a door mat or a puppet, cant really see the appeal




Nslavu -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/12/2010 2:54:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Acer49

quote:

ORIGINAL: husband4fun

Has anyone here used hypnosis in bdsm play, as either a dom/domme or sub? Seems to me hypnosis is an underutilized discipline with great potential in this realm...


Let us assume for the moment hypnosis does indeed work, Having someone under is no different than having a door mat or a puppet, cant really see the appeal



Oh it works, I hipmotized him to make this thread. [8|]


The release signal is YDF! so don't anyone call him that. [:D]




sinandhoney -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/12/2010 4:53:21 PM)

After meeting someone who does this for a living and for kink I'd say the idea is intriguing.  In the realm of mindfucks mainly, but more so to enhance what we already do.  I was hesitant do to all the films and tv who portray it as something scary.  After watching a demo on it I don't find it scary at all but another tool one can use to gain a certain effect.




AmHypnotic -> RE: Hypnosis and bdsm (3/18/2010 4:27:29 PM)

As a hypnofetishist, I'd have to say there are multiple things that hypnosis brings to the table to enhance and add to experiences.  Also, hypnosis isn't about making someone submit.  It's about using a natural state of mind to bring illusion to reality, that's how I'd like to think of it.

Hell, it's better off using hypnosis with a submissive, then you can say things like "let go and give in to how nice it is" and not wonder if the subject is thinking "I'm not letting go for you, fucker."  At least, not as long as you're a decent person, as if you're a douche, you deserve whatever bitchiness you get, really.

Ideas for how to use hypnosis in relation to BDSM?  Here we go...

-Receive more automatic responses when they truly matter.  Ever have someone reaching a hard limit and not say anything, not even a safe word, because "Well you were having fun, I didn't want to ruin that," then never want to play again because you play too hard?  Something similar?  Build in responses and give suggestions toward such things coming naturally without thought, comfortably, worry-free.  Use the traffic light idea, red, yellow, and green.  Include green.  My GOD this is feeling good, how many say anything like that before the end of a scene (as opposed to "I wish you would have done X more")?  And I can tell you personally, you will chuckle the first time you hear a sub going "green... green... green... green..." because they're enjoying themselves so much.

-Legal and nondisruptive public play.  The sub still knows what's going on, and let's be honest, orgasming, being tied up so you can't move freely, being flogged, generally bring about a form of response that people can notice, so there is still a humiliation factor.  And I don't mean hypnotizing in public, but rather triggering certain reactions or reliving certain scenes at a particular touch, word, phrase, even one that is not obvious (for example, *tap on the back of the neck* = sub feels hard spank against the ass)

-Play without a toybag.  This doesn't absolutely require the sub knowing the sensations of the tools, BUT obviously knowledge of said tools, or showing the sensation just before using said sensation in hypnosis play will be more powerful than just describing a sensation.  For example, I watched someone take the handle of a flogger, put it on the inside of a sub's elbow and "close" her elbow against it hard.  Then built triggers around either arm receiving that sensation in the same places.  You can also play with the concept without hypnosis by having your sub close his/her eyes and going into the kitchen, make knife sharpening noises, then come in with the TV remote control and roll that along the sub's back without the sub seeing it.  Take this multiple steps further with hypnosis.

-Safe play without training with a particular physical toy.  I've seen people do entire rope scenes through hypnosis without any clue on knots, nerve clusters to watch out for, etc., as the suggestions included that they'd be safe and merely bind movement and give the feel of rope.  Note: doing this around the neck, ensure they know that it is loose enough around the neck to allow breathing, just for safety's sake.  Rope scene somehow goes bad?  Wake them up, snap your fingers, and say "rope's gone."  No need for safety shears.  And you can take your time, such as taking your fingers and tracing them where the rope is going, you don't need to use words for absolutely everything.

-More immersive role play.  Some things just aren't doable in reality, and because of that, some things just can't be role played effectively enough.  Meanwhile, I've had someone riding the dragon from The Neverending Story and they could tell me everything about how his fur and skin felt and how gentle he was.  Yes, I know that's not a BDSM example, but you guys are imaginative enough, work with it.

-Triggers for later fun.  Enjoy a particular scene so much that you wish to bring it about later and perhaps add more to it?  Maybe just bring about a particular sensation on a whim?  Orgasm on the snap of your (and only your) fingers?  Immobilized in the next balanced position they can get into upon being told to freeze (yea, let's not have anyone face planting because of a misplaced word)?  Play with how aware they are of said freeze, either they don't know it happened, and time passes without their knowing, or they're aware and staring at you with a mix of a grin and a smirk waiting for you to release them.

It's not just a mind fuck, and it does a lot for any Dom/me, as well.  There are plenty of other ideas, I didn't give them all, not by any means, I actually intentionally held back a few to allow for further free thought.  Anyone, feel free to elaborate on my above ideas or to give more of their own.




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