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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 5:12:29 AM   
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I'm troubled by the claim that a 10 year old was present for a graphic discussion of sex and that the kids were told not to tell their parents. However middle school is where sex ed needs to be happening and it needs to be real sex ed not the silly abstinence only that has caused teen pregnacy rates to go up again after more than a decade of decline.


Actually, my home is where my daughters will learn about sex education. Why would I rely on school to teach something so important? It may supplement what I have already discussed with them, but it will not be their first and most important source.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 5:33:25 AM   
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Now, there are certain things troubling about the talk that was given. To me, none of this things are the subject, sex. What troubles me, is that the talk was misrepresented, the children were told not to tell, and the talker seemed to have no real credentials.

When it comes to the actual subject of the talk, not enough information is given for me to decide if it was appropriate, but considering the differences in sex ed in Germany and the US, I am pretty sure I would not be disturbed.
Around her, sex ed is first taught in grade 3 and 4 (age somewhere around 7-8). The children learn how their reproductive organs work, puberty, menstruation, conception and pregnancy, the actual mechanics of sex, emotions involved, homosexuality, safe sex. All done in an age appropriate manner.
Sex ed appears on the curriculum periodically in the years following, going more into depth and detail.

All in all it is a very natural progress and process. And by the way, opting out is not an option here. (was a good time ago) It is part of the syllabus and children have to attend.

To give you some starting point on what would be considered appropriate in most of Europe, I will give you an example from my family.

When my then 4 year old asked about the baby in my belly, I told him that grown-ups sometimes do something that is called sex. Grown ups do this sex thing because it feels very good to them, but also because it is possible to create a baby that way.

Part of this sex thing is, that the man puts his erect penis into the woman's vagina. After some time, something called semen comes out of the penis.
Sometimes one tiny, teeny little semen cell swims all the way deeper into the woman, into a organ called the uterus. There it is possible that it meets something called a egg, but this one is much, much smaller than the eggs you know. When a semen cell and an egg meet, the kind of melt together, and out of them starts to grow the baby. Made from something of their Mommy and Daddy together.

The baby grows in the Mommies belly for about 40 weeks, and when it is ready to be born the muscles in the Mommies belly start to contract, and help the baby out into the world by pushing it out though the vagina.

My oldest, who received the answer above when he asked at the age of 4, is now 10. He knows about sex, love, the changes his boy will go through during puberty, menstruation, conception, pregnancy and birth, the actual design of female sexual organs, homosexual sex (male and female), the importance of safe sex and how to use condoms, contraception, and most likely more things I am forgetting right now.
We have always answered questions fully and truthfully, and it works well for us.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 7:01:56 AM   
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We have always answered questions fully and truthfully, and it works well for us.


This is how my parents talked to me about the subject, also from the age of four, when I naturally made enquiries, and this is how I talked to my son. It's the only sane way to do it.

The problem is that you can't rely on all parents to take the sane approach. So many people have monumental hang-ups about the subject, they'd rather lie to their children rather than tell them the truth.

It's necessary for schools to inform children. It's knowledge, it's part of life, and there's no reason why there should be any obfuscation.

For example: at my son's school (he is now twelve, sixth grade), they started talking about STDs... but they didn't tell the kids how to not contract them. Well... this is how they said it: "The best way to not contract an STD is to not engage in sexual intercourse." Well, duh. That's true, but they totally evaded the subject of condoms. Totally! So I had to provide my child with the supplemental information I felt was lacking in his school's biology curriculum. I think it's quite pathetic. If the kids are old enough to be told about STDs, they are old enough to know all the facts.



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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 7:23:52 AM   
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IIRC the sum total of my sexual education by way of my parents was my father telling me, after my first date, "If you get a girl pregnant I'll kick you out."

Luckily I'd gotten pretty decent sex ed in school.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 7:29:18 AM   
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It's hard to believe that in the XXI Century there's still such a taboo attached to sex and sex education, but this is America, and as we all know... everything is possible in the Land of the Free... *shrug*.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 7:33:51 AM   
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-Sadly, this kind of event gets all the press, when in fact every day middle school teachers are talking about sex and sexuality in age-appropriate ways. For many of these students, this is the only accurate information they will ever get. I agree with Wyld there are a lot of holes in this story. I hope the truth comes out.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 7:43:53 AM   
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came4u that game is just nasty. I can see the appeal to high schoolers though.


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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:09:24 AM   
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intenze and came4u...

Where do you people live? By the age of eight kids have heard every word and are drawing pics of their dicks. By the age of ten to twelve many of your precious children are already getting groped, banged and giving head.

What the fuck is wrong with people?...What happens? When did you forget about your youth? You are going to be the parents that can't understand when their kids start partying, have a kegger or start smoking weed. God forbid you address these issues before they arise so your kids have a chance to see things with some wisdom before they are simply thrust upon them.

Dumb parents.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:13:31 AM   
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I agree with LL. There were way too many holes in that story. As I both read and watched the video, I kept thinking, "Well? What did she say?" Though I also agree that it was highly inappropriate for this person to give an impromptu discussion on the subject and the principal just left upon asked. However, I found that woman, "Laura" who was afraid to give her full name but not afraid to appear on television, ridiculous, backwards, and ignorant. Especially when she said that her daughter now used the word "sex" and acted all mortified by it. At least her kid isn't running around saying the word "fuck".

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:14:09 AM   
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I played the game...I was Wonder Vag!!! I am a virgin who believes in abstinence before marriage. My super power is that I can tell when people are full of shit.

I have always been Wonder Vag!!! SHe was kinda hot...Nice tits and ass.

The game was no biggie!! I killed the evil sperminator...Made him my bitch!!

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:16:15 AM   
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I was the other girl and I kicked ass, too!

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:20:39 AM   
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Thank you for sharing that video,
It absolutely horrified me to hear the words " don't tell your parents" coming from school official.
The Principal seemed to be aloof and not in charge of the assembly or of his kids, as he just left the building to allow the assembly to continue.
Clearly some heads should roll over this, starting at the top.

I was teaching my son about sex education long before he was 10.

Basically, I wanted to be the one to take any embarrassment and or shame out of the sex game.
To teach him my point of view, what protection and morals he should be having with regards to sex and the sexual engagements he might embark upon in his life time.

Knowledge is Power !!

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:36:53 AM   
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Domiguy, I never said schools should not talk about sex. I said, in fact, that for many students that is the only real sex education they get.
The movie just skeeved me.
I think there is a place, in school, for responsible adults to talk to students about sex. As a biology teacher, I have often been the person a student talks to before their parents. There are a lot of extremely stupid myths about sex going on in the teenage, or younger, world. I am a complete advocate of sex education, I just didnt like seeing my super hero squrited with jiz.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:39:44 AM   
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You got questions wrong?

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:49:54 AM   
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yeah I did, one, just to see what would happen...it was not pretty.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:52:24 AM   
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The "she now says sex, and is mortified by it" bit reminds me of some coverage during Clintons bj scandal. They showed some parents who were enraged that Clinton was forcing them to explain a blowjob to their daughters, who were about 15-16.

As I said, there are quite a few things about this story that are wrong, but a 10 year old being confronted with the term "sex" is not one of them. In fact, she should already know. As should have the 15-16 year olds about bjs.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 8:57:07 AM   
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I knew what a blow job was by that age, but I didn't learn it from school or my parents.

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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 9:01:05 AM   
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As I said, there are quite a few things about this story that are wrong, but a 10 year old being confronted with the term "sex" is not one of them. In fact, she should already know. As should have the 15-16 year olds about bjs.

any parent that thinks their 10 yr old has never heard the word "sex" before has their head up their ass. And (personal opinion) if the kid is 10 yrs old and the parent has not in some way addressed the topic of sex, they are neglectful in their role.

As to the tape, i was shocked beyond words that a school official would have the nerve to actually say "Don't tell your parents...". Unreal.



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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 9:01:20 AM   
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Domiguy, I never said schools should not talk about sex. I said, in fact, that for many students that is the only real sex education they get.
The movie just skeeved me.
I think there is a place, in school, for responsible adults to talk to students about sex. As a biology teacher, I have often been the person a student talks to before their parents. There are a lot of extremely stupid myths about sex going on in the teenage, or younger, world. I am a complete advocate of sex education, I just didnt like seeing my super hero squrited with jiz.


My Wonder Vag was squirted with jizz too. It was odd, she actually licked all of the jizz off of her super hero uniform as well as some that had splashed onto the computer screen. She then pulled down the top of her uniform started pulling on her nips and then rubbed what jizz was left on her face and hair into her pale, firm and perky tits, very odd but hot. Not exactly they type of behavior I was expecting from a super hero devoted to a chaste lifestyle.

Who knew that Wonder Vag was such a cum guzzling whore?

Who new that you should get a pap exam when you start getting banged and not when you first have your period? You women and your holes.


The problem is that there are far too many people especially in Texas that are morons. Remember a third of these fuckers believe that Jesus walked with dinosaurs and that God shields his flock from STD's.





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RE: Sex talk at middle school upsets parents, students - 3/6/2010 9:04:23 AM   
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I knew what a blow job was by that age, but I didn't learn it from school or my parents.

heh.
Seriously though, did you know the truth about STD's being transferred by bjs? That is where parents and teachers come into play.

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