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Everybody Hurts? - 2/8/2010 3:12:22 PM   
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The song link on my profile is Everybody Hurts, a song akin to Band Aid raising money for Haiti, it has gone to number one right away which is not surprising. What always annoys me a little about these kinds of songs is the people who create them in this case the well known philanthropist ... Simon Cowell?

Maybe I am being cynical to think that Mr Cowell is not pure in his motives, because at the end of the day all the money is going to charity and it will raise a lot so he obviously is doing his bit for the cause. I imagine people who may not have given money before will do in this instance, maybe not. It does make me wonder if the people who sang on the record donated anything themselves but then maybe their time is enough

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/8/2010 11:59:35 PM   
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Sorry Haitians. I have no problem with you but unless you have been living on the moon you may have noticed that we are twelve fucking trillion dollars in debt.

We just don't have it to give. We would have to borrow it anyway, just borrow it yourself. But maybe not, see where that got us ?

I am sorry, but people who think this is a rich country are seriously delusional.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 12:05:27 AM   
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I think we owe it to them since we've been dumping our hazardous waste on their island for some time now. NIMBY is a myth. The rest of the planet is your backyard.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 5:36:37 AM   
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I'm sorry but colour me cynical. Five years ago the United States suffered its worst natural disaster - Hurricane Katrina, but I don't recall a single coming out. I also don't recall any big name stars lending their time or efforts to the numerous events and concerts the homeless charity CRISIS have been organizing to raise public awareness. As for the 1,000 or so Polish migrant workers who have been attacked, robbed, and left destitute and homeless over the past few years thanks to organized gangs and criminals not even a dicky bird.

Ah but it's Haiti, that's different. A bit like now when you can't buy a Sting album without being morally arm-wrestled into being required to save the rain forests or Bono going on about world poverty, not to mention Bob Geldof and Midge Ure.

It's also kind of ironic coming from a man who makes a fortune out of the X Factor when there's thousands of young musicians making really good music who just can't get a foothold in the music industry dominated by the corporate businessmen, mass media and .. erm.. reality television (which is also decimating our film industry, but I don't want to digress and end up hijacking the thread).

Yes 'Everybody Hurts' but it's really funny how those hurting right under your nose never really get a look in.


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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 6:03:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

I'm sorry but colour me cynical. Five years ago the United States suffered its worst natural disaster - Hurricane Katrina, but I don't recall a single coming out. I also don't recall any big name stars lending their time or efforts to the numerous events and concerts the homeless charity CRISIS have been organizing to raise public awareness. As for the 1,000 or so Polish migrant workers who have been attacked, robbed, and left destitute and homeless over the past few years thanks to organized gangs and criminals not even a dicky bird.

Ah but it's Haiti, that's different. A bit like now when you can't buy a Sting album without being morally arm-wrestled into being required to save the rain forests or Bono going on about world poverty, not to mention Bob Geldof and Midge Ure.

It's also kind of ironic coming from a man who makes a fortune out of the X Factor when there's thousands of young musicians making really good music who just can't get a foothold in the music industry dominated by the corporate businessmen, mass media and .. erm.. reality television (which is also decimating our film industry, but I don't want to digress and end up hijacking the thread).

Yes 'Everybody Hurts' but it's really funny how those hurting right under your nose never really get a look in.




Stella-   Katrina is a soar spot for me.

Very.

Many people all over the world sent help- or tried to.   The PEOPLE were GREAT!

The government- tho- OBSTRUCTED help.    Many credible sources had accounts to this.

Around this time- I decided the government is more of a problem then a solution.

We had alot of every day people who were heros then.  From fire fighters - to coast guard- to many many volunteers.  Oodles of trucks were loaded- supplies sent.

The PEOPLE were not going to allow this to stand.

Everyone I know did something.    Help came from everywhere.

I recall friends in Ireland and Canada upset that they were refused-  I had to explain that firefighters from DC, Supplies from Chicago refused- help was told to turn around and go home.
The Mayor of Chicago gave a blistering news conference on how official channels poo poohed off the help that was all ready to go.

I am still in awe over how pathetic the situation was.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 6:11:01 AM   
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The song was of poor choice.  I will not be purchasing it because I don't dig charity records for the sake of charity anyway.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 6:13:40 AM   
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Brad Pitt has done a lot for New Orleans, but I had no idea the extent to which the last admin was willing to go to destroy this beautiful and historical part of the country. It's shocking! It sickens me and I have to wonder again, why have these people not been prosecuted for the crimes they committed while in office? Is that US legacy? If you're in the White House, then it's ok, you can do what you want? That hardly makes us a free country. That makes us a country of victims. Especially now, after the Supreme Court Justice ruling on "corporate personhood". Oh, it makes me so mad. And people are still blinded by that whole stupid "invisible hand" theory. It really pisses me off!

I grew up believing that we were the "good guys" and was proud to be an American because of that. However, due to involvement in protest during the last admin, I found out a lot of stuff that's been going on long before W. & co. It was a heartbreaking revelation regarding US foreign policy.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 6:33:59 AM   
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DS--  yes- I also thought we were the good guys. 

The 1st 2 day ppl bashing bush- I said- give it another day- we surely will send help.

Then by day 3 or 4- it became more bizzare.

by the end of the week not only was it tradjic it was a huge embarrassment that we did this to our own people.  :-(

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 6:38:41 AM   
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Tell me about it, but it's only another item to tack on to the list of embarassments that was wrought on the American people by that administration. Now, that shame continues with the prolonged investigation and the abominably late prosecution of those that should be held accountable for their actions. I remain utterly appalled. This is the biggest contention that I have with Obama. The other is the watering down of the healthcare reformation.


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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 6:48:16 AM   
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I am uneasy being that my local rep is retiring.     I have been open door there- ....he is around 70- so he wants to retire.

Walmart sent a truck load of water to Katrina- and THAT was turned back.

If there is a bright spot on this- it is that the PEOPLE sprung to help.   Haiti is abit different.   Not to sound selfish.   I guess bad things simply "dont happen" here.  

I would guess the same shut out- that was done in Katrina is done in Haiti.  Something like a penny of every $ goes to help.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 6:55:48 AM   
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Like I said, Haiti has endured quite a bit of abuse at the hands of corporate America. Regardless, we tend to forget that we're all living on the same planet. All these other countries, all these continents, they're all connected. What happens over here has the capacity to impact every other place on the planet, either negatively or positively. Trash doesn't stay in landfills, disease crosses borders, people are oppressed and their suffering can be felt across the planet. It's a shame that so many would allow so many others suffer and do nothing. This is the problem I have with conservative republicans. The impact of slavery has had far reaching effects into present day generations, both health-wise and emotionally. Abuse is a cycle that is carried across generations. That's why it's so important to be good to each other. I'm on my high horse, now.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 8:39:54 AM   
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I think what a few people are trying to assert here can be summed up quite neatly.

You are on the way home from the grocery store and you run across some starving children. You give them your food. Now you get to go home and your children are starving because you gave away the food.

It just doesn't get much simpler than that.

T

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 9:53:40 AM   
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quote:

Five years ago the United States suffered its worst natural disaster - Hurricane Katrina


Yes it was and yes they did http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9146525/


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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 9:58:11 AM   
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I'm sorry, Term, I don't want to insult you or hurt your feelings, but that has to be the worst analogy I've ever heard. That absolutely makes no sense and doesn't even begin to touch relevance to the problem at hand.

First of all, I could give the starving children on the way home some of my food, or I could give them all of it, then go back to the store and get more. And in fact, I've given food away to people I saw on the street. What am I supposed to do? Turn a blind eye? I can't. I won't. That's a ludicrous analogy!

This is what I believe in.

The world and the social ills that must be addressed are just not that cut and dry. The US has done a lot of damage around the world in the past and those pigeons are finally coming home to roost.

By the way, who's FR?

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 10:37:55 AM   
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FR = fast reply.

I have to say that went past me too.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 3:14:12 PM   
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DS, I guess I am still a student of the command of the English language. I guess I'll elaborate.

Charity begins at home. My charity begins with family and chosen family. But even with them, I have a bunch of money in the drawer, it is for bills, the next round of checks I must write. Even among them I say "I don't have it" or "I can't afford it". The simple fact is even if someone is starving, if I don't pay my bills then I will be starving, or homeless or whatever. Now where did that get us ?

So you are starving under a bridge, and I have a $400 gas bill. If I don't pay, move over, as I will be soon living in the next box to you under that bradge. And starving.

Say 30-4- years ago we still had a viable and productrive economy in this country. In times like that, despite the debt we were doing alright. Under those conditions, lending a helping hand is nothing short of divine. But now, the way things are, I couldn't care less (monetarily) about people in bumfuct Egypt somewhere. It doesn't mean I don't care, but writing blank checks which our descendents must pay should not be an option.

Sure, you hit some hard times ? Well here's a credit card with which you can buy a house and a new car. I'll just sit back and pay the interest on it until I die. Of course, I got it whether or not I can afford it. Fat chance.

Get it ? Conditions are forcing us to kill ourselves with debt. People are buying toilet paper on credit cards. Meantime, where are the people with enough money to insure that the next ten generations of their family will be born with a silver spoon in their mouth ? Where is their altruism while their media plays upon ours ?

Most people don't realize that there are people on this planet who are so rich they could pay off the national debt with ease. They don't and I know why they don't. As such any charity on my part is well defined and precisely directed.

I did not take umbrage at the traffic jam caused by normal, good people taking donations down to the local TV station for Haiti. It was an inconvenience but I put it in perspective. People are hurting, they are in trouble and need help. People were donating leftover wheelchairs and other medicval supplies which cannot be used over again here because our leaders need more money. They brought canned goods, and maybe a few things they even like, instead of those cans in the back of the pantry left by their great Grandparents. It's actually good to know that so many have such a giving spirit. But think again. Uncle Zeb's broke leg is all healed up and he doesn't need the wheelchair or crutches anymore. The babies are grown up so they don't need the formula. Bill Bob's knee has healed and he doen't need the brace anymore. All of this shit was paid for by insurance or something most likely. They are not giving, they are cleaning house. But if it does some good, great.

Now forget th credit card, all the junk in the attic, and that bank account that you choose to forget about and use only as a cushion. Get out your wallet. Look at the money in there and count it. Calculate your charity based on that and I'd bet the donation would be quite smaller. By contrast those who spend our money without our consent will do so as long as it makes them look good.

Sorry if I have destroyed anyone's rose colored view of our position here, but the fact is we are broke.

T

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 3:26:00 PM   
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I've never had a credit card. I only live on what I have in the bank, so I can't relate to that. As for Haiti, I sent money through the Hunger Site out of my bank account. I didn't send dated goods or old medical equipment which I no longer needed. I sent money from my own bank account. As for the people that could easily afford to pay off the national debt without batting an eyelash but don't? No, I don't understand this. It's beyond my comprehension. Those people are the reason that others are starving. Shame on them!

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 3:39:14 PM   
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Hmm Term much as I can see what you are saying, I kinda think that so long as I am not starving and have a warm place to stay every night I can afford to chuck a few pounds to someone who lives outside on my street. You dont have to give them your home or all your money but you can help.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 4:13:06 PM   
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When you are destitute and starving and desperate for any help at all, what the Hell does it matter if the money comes from a prat like Cowell or not.
Pure of heart and motive he may not be, but then who the hell is? You? Me?
I doubt it.
What matters is food water, medicine and shelter, there are women in City Soliel clustered in groups, literally praying together not to get raped and killed, do you think they would care if the money that provided came from something that Simon Cowell was involved in?
If my kids were starving and suffering from exposure, I would happily accept help from Hitler if he offered it.

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RE: Everybody Hurts? - 2/9/2010 4:20:24 PM   
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well you could go thru all that shampoo you bought and did not like.

same with other stuff- put in a box- and ship it out.

recycling is beautiful

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