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crazyml -> RE: Obedience Vs Loyalty (1/23/2010 3:27:52 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MasterLark
So I am curious.
Do you make a distinction between your understanding of the word "obedience" versus the word "loyalty"?
Yes I do, on account of them being different words with different meanings.
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Are they inter-changeable for each other?
Oh yes, you can interchange them - the way you can interchange "tea" and "hippo", but having done so you will have profoundly changed the meaning of the sentence.
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Is one a sub-set of the other? Why so?
Nope.
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Many posts say the Master/Dom/Domme expects loyalty and obedience from their sub/slave...as if the words mean something different. Do they? What?
I reckon they're using both words because they really, really do mean different things!
As for what = see dictionary.com -
loy⋅al⋅ty [loi-uh[image]http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]l-tee]–noun, plural -ties.
1. the state or quality of being loyal; faithfulness to commitments or obligations.
2. faithful adherence to a sovereign, government, leader, cause, etc.
3. an example or instance of faithfulness, adherence, or the like: a man with fierce loyalties.
o⋅be⋅di⋅ence [oh-bee-dee-uh[image]http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]ns] –noun
1. the state or quality of being obedient.
2. the act or practice of obeying; dutiful or submissive compliance: Military service demands obedience from its members.
3. a sphere of authority or jurisdiction, esp. ecclesiastical.
4. Chiefly Ecclesiastical. a. conformity to a monastic rule or the authority of a religious superior, esp. on the part of one who has vowed such conformance. b. the rule or authority that exacts such conformance.
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
I am loyal to my husband all the time, but I am only occasionally obedient.
For me, loyalty is standing by that person, supporting him through good and bad, being willing to stand up for them as quick as you'd stand up for yourself.
Obedience is following a command or request. A waitress is generally obedient to her customers, that doesn't mean she has any loyalty to them, especially if she trash talks them when they're out of earshot.
I think this is a superb way to distinguish the two.
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ORIGINAL: Dominasola
I agree with this. I see loyalty as being somewhat of a passive trait, while obedience is much more active.
If you think about it grammatically:
"To be loyal" vs "To obey"
Loyalty is a state of being. Obedience denotes action.
Spot on on the active vs passive, but there's grammar cheatin in your example - The fair grammatical comparison is "To be loyal" vs "to be obedient" - the key point is that while there is a verb associated with obedient (to obey) there is none with Loyalty
;-)
[Edited for typos - at least the ones I spotted ;-) ]
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