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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 5:52:25 PM

lovingpet

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LLady: Glad your recovery is going well. Now to tackle all the rest of the loopy health stuff. I threw a little party for myself when I hit the 20 mark. I was a little embarrassed 2 days later!

I am still considering heading down to FL to see a specialist about hyperparathyroidism. I have been told that I have that condition secondary to the low Vitamin D, but this group is willing to consider the possibility that it is otherwise and order the necessary scan. It would be a 30 minute procedure with maybe an overnight hospital stay and I just might have my life back, but they require fees to even look at my records that cannot be submitted to insurance and then all fees upfront to consult and treat. I can't afford that. Still, I might have to find a way.

servantforuse: I would simply adore it if he could/would. He is the one carrying two jobs to make up the gap for me not being able to work. When he's here he's exhaughsted and I feel useless not being able to contribute to the household. Maybe I just need a nice subbie boy all my own. Hmmmmmmm

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 5:52:30 PM

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servantforuse,

I'm pretty sure you weren't talking to me, right? 'Cause I ain't got me no husband!

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 6:34:20 PM

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Several studies in China have indicated acupuncture may help treat chronic fatigue syndrome. And some Western studies have found that acupuncture may help conditions with similar symptoms such as fibromyalgia, depression, headache, and irritable bowel syndrome. Some evidence also suggests that acupuncture may help boost your immune system. It may also help people with CFS get a more restful night's sleep, which is often key to turning the condition around.
Acupuncturists treat people with chronic fatigue syndrome based on an individualized assessment of the excesses and deficiencies of qi located in various meridians. In the case of CFS, a qi deficiency is usually detected in the spleen or kidney meridians, but a deficiency may also be found in the lung or liver meridians.
Acupuncturists may use moxibustion (a technique in which the herb mugwort is burned over specific acupuncture points) in addition to needling therapy, as it is thought moxibustion helps to provide a deeper and stronger treatment. Practitioners with herbal training may recommend specific herbal remedies as well as dietary changes."

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/chronic-fatigue-000035.htm

"Results The mean (SD) VAS score for pain was 6.5 (1.9) at the initial evaluation and 5.8 (1.9) after the 6th treatment (P>.50). The functional level was improved from 4.5 (1.4) to 7.0 (1.5) (P<.01). The patients reported that initially they felt tired and relaxed. They reported falling asleep quicker the 1st night after treatment and feeling more energetic following treatment. All patients were able to return to school after their initial series of 6 acupuncture treatments. There were no reported cases of orthostatic hypotension during the study periods. All the patients and their families were satisfied with the results of the acupuncture treatments. No side effects or complications related to the acupuncture services were reported. "

http://www.medicalacupuncture.org/aama_marf/journal/vol16_1/article4.html

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Prognosis is dependent on the TCM diagnosis. Spleen qi deficiency, liver qi stagnation, heart blood and yin deficiency, and heat toxicity should have good results from the abovementioned treatments. Most patients treated for the above diagnoses can get rid of chronic fatigue syndrome in three months. Kidney deficiency and phlegm obstruction have a slower response to treatment, and may take longer than three months.
The results show more apparent effect in acute cases, which have a history of 2-3 months or less. Usually, during the process of treatment, the symptoms will improve by 70 percent to 80 percent in the first 1-1½ months. In the next 1½-2 months, the remaining 20 percent to 30 percent of the symptoms will go away.
Herbs are the most helpful treatment for CFS. If patients feel better after only two months and quit the treatments, in most cases, CFS will return. A regular program of at least three months is needed, followed by periodic visits, until all of the symptoms are gone. If a patient has had CFS for a long time (several years), the three-month treatment plan will need to be extended. In other ways, a balanced diet, multivitamins, minerals, and a moderate exercise routine, such as qi gong, tai ji quan and walking, will benefit everyone. "

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/mpacms/at/article.php?id=30188

" (Ivanhoe Newswire) -- A new study out of the Mayo Clinic reveals acupuncture can help ease the painful symptoms associated with fibromyalgia (FMS), a chronic musculoskeletal condition characterized by fatigue, stiffness in the joints, and sleep problems. "

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=13927

"The acupuncture treatment used weak stimulation and the needles were retained for 15 minutes after insertion. The results: 9 cases greatly improve, 21 improved, and the remaining 8 did not respond to the treatment."

http://articles.directorym.com/Chronic_Fatigue_Syndrome_Utah-r853163-Utah.html

Hope this helps.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 6:48:54 PM

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Very good article! Thanks Orion!

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PS: No word from my doc.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 7:00:22 PM

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I didn't mean it like that. It just seemed to me that hubby could be helping out a little more. I hope your'e ok..

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 7:06:08 PM

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I didn't mean it like that. It just seemed to me that hubby could be helping out a little more. I hope your'e ok..

Whether he could or not is probably debatable and one I will be so kind as to keep off the boards, but I really do kind of have a problem asking or even demanding help from him when I need it. As for the subbie comment, I was just being silly for a moment, though I do have my eye out for just the right fit in that direction.

I'm okay as in not dying. I just feel like I might. Eventually I will manage to recover from this and swear off ever putting myself through this again and will do it again anyway... because life isn't interested in if I'm having a bad day. LOL I'm calmer now, not so sobby, still hurting, but it will be bedtime soon. Thank goodness!

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 7:22:04 PM

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I suggest a potato Loving Pet. I am sure that will fix you right up!

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 7:26:29 PM

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nah, quilting. if nothing else, using a needle to puncture the fabric can be therapeutic.

in the bad days when i needed to escape, i'd get the quilting out, listen to audio books and tune out the rest of the world. very relaxing.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 7:42:58 PM

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I suggest a potato Loving Pet. I am sure that will fix you right up!

Hehe!!!!! Potatoes. The essense of life!

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 7:45:21 PM

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nah, quilting. if nothing else, using a needle to puncture the fabric can be therapeutic.

in the bad days when i needed to escape, i'd get the quilting out, listen to audio books and tune out the rest of the world. very relaxing.

My Grammie quilts. Maybe she could take some time and teach me. She does such beautiful work and I love being nuzzled up in the finished product! I want to do quite a bit with learning to do more advanced sewing. I can hem and replace a button and such, but I'd like to be able to make an outfit on occasion or design those beautiful quilts. I think I will call her tomorrow and see when she's available. *hugs*

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 8:38:34 PM

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I suggest a potato Loving Pet. I am sure that will fix you right up!

Hehe!!!!! Potatoes. The essense of life!

I do hope that you feel better soonest!

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 8:42:16 PM

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Thankies babes!

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/15/2010 9:21:28 PM

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The highest I managed has been 20 and it dropped within 48 hours of the prescription Vitamin D being finished. I know this because my GP tested it on the last day and my endocrinologist tested it two days later at that appointment. We have not a clue what's going on with it.

Your disease is causing your vitamin D to be broken down and feeding on the parts.

If you are willing for me to counsel you and promise to keep that confidential, then send me a c-mail.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/16/2010 12:07:54 AM

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May i ask...Is being low on vit-D a big deal? i'm sorry but i am not educated at all about this, but i'd like to know what Y'all do please.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/16/2010 12:24:13 AM

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Vitamins (vita = life) are called that because they are essential to life. Our bodies cannot make them ourselves (except for vitamin D, which is produced by light skin when exposed to the sunlight). Vitamin D is crucial for having healthy bones. Undoubtedly it has a function in many other physiological and biochemical processes, but I would have to look that up. I expect that you can look it up yourself on wikipedia.

Quite a few vitamins on the other hand are dangerous when there is too much of them in the body. Vitamin C is perhaps the only exception to this, as that is excreted when there is too much of it in the body.

As diseases may feed on certain vitamins, for such sick people it is usually better to have a bit of a shortage of that vitamin as that will decrease the rate at which the disease organism promulgates. In this my model lovingpet by upping her vitamin D stimulated the activity of the disease causing agent and thus cuased her health to deteriorate even more. It is like throwing inflammables on a fire.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/16/2010 4:24:20 AM

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I have had several acupuncture treatments.

I found them to be worthwhile. I can only get them in Chicago.... I highly recommend acupuncture. In my case I went for bad disks in my back- and area 17 top of the head is great to reduce stress.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/16/2010 9:35:53 AM

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As diseases may feed on certain vitamins, for such sick people it is usually better to have a bit of a shortage of that vitamin as that will decrease the rate at which the disease organism promulgates. In this my model lovingpet by upping her vitamin D stimulated the activity of the disease causing agent and thus cuased her health to deteriorate even more. It is like throwing inflammables on a fire.

Do you have any scientific data to support this theory with vitamin D?

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/16/2010 9:44:53 AM

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...I agree about vit D.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/16/2010 10:03:29 AM

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Vitamins (vita = life) are called that because they are essential to life. Our bodies cannot make them ourselves (except for vitamin D, which is produced by light skin when exposed to the sunlight). Vitamin D is crucial for having healthy bones. Undoubtedly it has a function in many other physiological and biochemical processes, but I would have to look that up. I expect that you can look it up yourself on wikipedia.

Quite a few vitamins on the other hand are dangerous when there is too much of them in the body. Vitamin C is perhaps the only exception to this, as that is excreted when there is too much of it in the body.

As diseases may feed on certain vitamins, for such sick people it is usually better to have a bit of a shortage of that vitamin as that will decrease the rate at which the disease organism promulgates. In this my model lovingpet by upping her vitamin D stimulated the activity of the disease causing agent and thus cuased her health to deteriorate even more. It is like throwing inflammables on a fire.

Yes, Rule, you do need to look up the physiological processes that vit D has influence on.
For a long time it was thought that it was only healthy bones, now they are discovering otherwise.

Many antibiotics disrupt a strain of bacterium's ability to use some of the B vitamins.
(B vitamins can reach toxic levels but by and large they like C are water soluble)

Rule, if you read the OP's post you would have seen that she is severely deficient in Vit D, despite supplementation.

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RE: I'm Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired - 1/16/2010 11:34:59 AM

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Vitamins (vita = life) are called that because they are essential to life. Our bodies cannot make them ourselves (except for vitamin D, which is produced by light skin when exposed to the sunlight). Vitamin D is crucial for having healthy bones. Undoubtedly it has a function in many other physiological and biochemical processes, but I would have to look that up. I expect that you can look it up yourself on wikipedia.

Quite a few vitamins on the other hand are dangerous when there is too much of them in the body. Vitamin C is perhaps the only exception to this, as that is excreted when there is too much of it in the body.

As diseases may feed on certain vitamins, for such sick people it is usually better to have a bit of a shortage of that vitamin as that will decrease the rate at which the disease organism promulgates. In this my model lovingpet by upping her vitamin D stimulated the activity of the disease causing agent and thus cuased her health to deteriorate even more. It is like throwing inflammables on a fire.

Yes, Rule, you do need to look up the physiological processes that vit D has influence on.
For a long time it was thought that it was only healthy bones, now they are discovering otherwise.

Many antibiotics disrupt a strain of bacterium's ability to use some of the B vitamins.
(B vitamins can reach toxic levels but by and large they like C are water soluble)

Rule, if you read the OP's post you would have seen that she is severely deficient in Vit D, despite supplementation.

Yes, she was taking supplements, just like I do, and it doesn't significantly raise mine either or keep it raised if I stop taking them.

Rule's theory is that one of lovingpet's illness, whether it be the fibromyalgia or the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome "feed" off the vitamin "D" and then the disease becomes more severe.

My dad was a vitamin fanatic. When he had cancer, his doctor told him that continuing to take the vitamins would "feed" the cancer cells. I suspect that Rule's theory is much the same. However, it wasn't that my father had deficiencies of those vitamins, more that taking the supplements would just give the cancer cells something more to live off of. Most of us really shouldn't be taking vitamins, but rather should be or are usually getting the vitamins we need from what we eat.

When there is a definiciency, however, the health problems caused by the deficiency make it less than sensible to let your body go without those vitamins to try to "starve" the disease. In the case of Vitamin D (as you already know angelikaJ), deficiencies can not only weaken the bones and possibly increase the chances of osteoporosis, but it also weakens the muscles and increases pain sensitivity. Recent studies seem to indicate that a great many fibromyalgia patients have vitamin D deficiencies that increase the pain from the disease. Therefore, increasing the level of vitamin D can lessen the pain of fibromyalgia, not increase it.

That's why I'm so curious about Rule's theory that allowing the body to have a decreased level of vitamin D will lessen the pain of the fibromyalgia. And this quote:

quote:

If you are willing for me to counsel you and promise to keep that confidential, then send me a c-mail.

Makes me believe that his theories and methods could be seriously questionable.

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