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Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:04:18 PM   
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This is a really general question that can cover most any kind of situation. From the submissive position, what are some good ways to respectfully address getting something important taken care of? Let's say it isn't something that he/she can't take care for the dominant or for him/herself. The dominant HAS to be the one to do it. Gentle reminders have come and gone. Paniced statements of what needs to be done, by when, why, and the fact that the submissive is getting very stressed have yielded nothing. The clock is ticking. Time is running out. There has to be something better than, "Excuse me please Sir/Maam, but would you kindly get off your lazy behind and take care of this before all hell breaks loose? I am about to strangle you in your sleep if you don't. Thanks!".

I am intentionally making this a little humorous, but the reality is that occasionally confrontation may be needed in any relationship. The power dynamics do not necessarily impede good, everyday communication, but at that point where other couples may become more forceful, that is just not a good fit. I, for one, am encouraged to speak my mind and lay problems on the table, but I had better do it with a very careful eye to respect and with regard to position within the relationship. How do you communicate serious problems, hurt, or frustration (or how would you want it communicated to you)? It may seem like a very basic question, but I see a lot of this sort of balancing issue as part of a lot of posts here. How does one maintain respect and the power structure without having very significant issues fall through the cracks?

I will look forward to courteous discussion. Thanks!

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:11:03 PM   
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Lovingpet, i WISH i had an answer for you. Funnily enough i am in the same boat. Do you find its starting to take an unexpected toll on things in general? i'd be glad to be more specific in a c-mail if thats ok?

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:15:42 PM   
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quote:

How do you communicate serious problems, hurt, or frustration (or how would you want it communicated to you)? It may seem like a very basic question, but I see a lot of this sort of balancing issue as part of a lot of posts here. How does one maintain respect and the power structure without having very significant issues fall through the cracks?
When it comes to the really serious stuff...we always strive to maintain the respect, but the power dynamic goes right out the window. My voice and opinions are equal to his.

It would be ridiculous to try to deal with a serious issue, say a problem with the LoudOne, as Dom and sub. Our roles at that time are not D/s related. We are Jim and Holly, concerned parents


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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:15:51 PM   
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It's not a specific issue I am having. It might even be an unnecessary preemptive strike on my part as I anticipate the move. C mail would be lovely though.

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:16:45 PM   
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I prefer the direct method.  There are two people in the relationship.  If transparency is an expectation, then I find nothing wrong with having a specific discussion regarding it.  Such as "the fact that issue A is not being dealt with is having an impact on my life and my peace and it is affecting how I feel about our relationship."  It is respectful and direct and there can be no question about what the discussion is about.  You can not make the dominant move on the issue or take action, you can, however, decide what you will do in the event of inaction.

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:17:13 PM   
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My first question in why in general  can it only be done by the Dom in question...

If its because of "place"  my personal view if its THAT important, its better to ask forgiveness then permission.

If its because of something physical, like say the washer has to be moved becasue of repairs and you yourself cant do it, hire a kid on the block to do it.

If its been reminded and times running out, then to me its obvious its not a matter of importance to my owner, and if its High importance to me but not to them then ill to my best to get it done, wither or not it pisses him off.


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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:22:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

How do you communicate serious problems, hurt, or frustration (or how would you want it communicated to you)? It may seem like a very basic question, but I see a lot of this sort of balancing issue as part of a lot of posts here. How does one maintain respect and the power structure without having very significant issues fall through the cracks?
When it comes to the really serious stuff...we always strive to maintain the respect, but the power dynamic goes right out the window. My voice and opinions are equal to his.

It would be ridiculous to try to deal with a serious issue, say a problem with the LoudOne, as Dom and sub. Our roles at that time are not D/s related. We are Jim and Holly, concerned parents



I tend to agree. In my relationship, there is a lot less leeway about what falls under the D/s side of things and what is appropriate to discuss on equal footing, but regardless, my voice is heard and we can both be respectful toward each other. He knows I can get very stressed by serious things and handles my feelings and needs with a gentle hand. We have done the united front course as well in some matters. We are aware, as many couples are, that sometimes life demands do have to factor into how we handle some situations.

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:24:33 PM   
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quote:

My first question in why in general can it only be done by the Dom in question...

If its because of "place" my personal view if its THAT important, its better to ask forgiveness then permission.

If its because of something physical, like say the washer has to be moved becasue of repairs and you yourself cant do it, hire a kid on the block to do it.
lets get real here. He is the Dom and i am the sub. We both live here. We both accept responsibility for running the house.

Since he works outside the home i pick up the slack whenever i can. If a situation arises where i am not able to accomplish something and he is, i am not going to bring in and pay outside help.

We are partners. When i can't do something, i turn to him. A gentle reminder, or well placed kick in the butt, is part of running the house.


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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:24:38 PM   
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In my current relationship I thankfully have not had that problem. I have simply politefully and respectfully remind him of something in case he has forgotten in which case he most likely has otherwise he would have taken care of it already. He's like that...if it's important to him it gets done. If it's not then he doesn't do it and if he wants to tell me why then he does.

Now in my past relationship...yeah....it just never got done which is why it's one of the many reasons it's a past relationship.

I would say if things aren't getting done and you end up having to resort to other less than respectful tactics you may want to take a look at the overall man in front of you......and then ask yourself...why am I bothering?

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:24:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I prefer the direct method.  There are two people in the relationship.  If transparency is an expectation, then I find nothing wrong with having a specific discussion regarding it.  Such as "the fact that issue A is not being dealt with is having an impact on my life and my peace and it is affecting how I feel about our relationship."  It is respectful and direct and there can be no question about what the discussion is about.  You can not make the dominant move on the issue or take action, you can, however, decide what you will do in the event of inaction.


You've offered us a good example of balancing direct and respectful. Thanks!

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:28:49 PM   
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quote:

I tend to agree. In my relationship, there is a lot less leeway about what falls under the D/s side of things and what is appropriate to discuss on equal footing, but regardless, my voice is heard and we can both be respectful toward each other. He knows I can get very stressed by serious things and handles my feelings and needs with a gentle hand. We have done the united front course as well in some matters. We are aware, as many couples are, that sometimes life demands do have to factor into how we handle some situations.
this sounds like a really healthy relationship, LovingPet  *hug*

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:29:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hopelessfool

My first question in why in general  can it only be done by the Dom in question...

If its because of "place"  my personal view if its THAT important, its better to ask forgiveness then permission.

If its because of something physical, like say the washer has to be moved becasue of repairs and you yourself cant do it, hire a kid on the block to do it.

If its been reminded and times running out, then to me its obvious its not a matter of importance to my owner, and if its High importance to me but not to them then ill to my best to get it done, wither or not it pisses him off.



I generally tend to think of this situation as being related to something where legal and/or financial constraints cause it to fall squarely in the dominant's court. Physical matters such as you mentioned could be in there, but I don't think it would be too hard to have alternative options or to just wait for a better time.

When I say can't, I mean literally, this HAS to be done by this specific person in the relationship. I doubt most of the time it is a matter of these major things not being important, but not understanding the position of having something that big in someone else's hands and one's own fate resting on what that other person does or doesn't do.

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:32:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

In my current relationship I thankfully have not had that problem. I have simply politefully and respectfully remind him of something in case he has forgotten in which case he most likely has otherwise he would have taken care of it already. He's like that...if it's important to him it gets done. If it's not then he doesn't do it and if he wants to tell me why then he does.

Now in my past relationship...yeah....it just never got done which is why it's one of the many reasons it's a past relationship.

I would say if things aren't getting done and you end up having to resort to other less than respectful tactics you may want to take a look at the overall man in front of you......and then ask yourself...why am I bothering?

You can't change people.





I have had both in my life and I know that is true. My partner, thankfully, is more like your master. In other relationships, it has been a far different matter.

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:33:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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I tend to agree. In my relationship, there is a lot less leeway about what falls under the D/s side of things and what is appropriate to discuss on equal footing, but regardless, my voice is heard and we can both be respectful toward each other. He knows I can get very stressed by serious things and handles my feelings and needs with a gentle hand. We have done the united front course as well in some matters. We are aware, as many couples are, that sometimes life demands do have to factor into how we handle some situations.
this sounds like a really healthy relationship, LovingPet  *hug*


*hugs* Thank you! On the verge of this move, it helps to hear that from others even though I know it deep down.




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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 7:35:05 PM   
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I can understand if its financial. My response would most likely be the same, I would do what i needed to wither it was politely, or not so politely reminding my owner that I need him to get xyz done and by x a date.

If ive reminded him and reminded him and reminded him, and I personally was being affected say by not getting hot water because he hasnt gotten around to paying the bill for the repair the previous time, Ill either do what i can make payment arrangements, or call him letting him know ill be staying at a friends until he pays what he needs to for us to get hot water returned to the house.

If its affecting me in a negative way, and he refuses or doesnt at least acknowledge his part of it, I tend to get rather growlful


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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 8:08:13 PM   
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Perhaps I'm just not appropriate enough or something...... But He has required me to always me transparent...part of that transparency is for me to be honest...at all times... Part of what that helps with this is when issues are creeping up it requires me to talk to Him about them.  So, the whole "building stress" issue just couldn't occur... So, I'm not sure if I'm not proper enough to worry about the whole D/s roles or if I just don't fall into the set up because of the transparency issue... Either way, what we do works for us and at the end of the day the truth is that's all that really matters. 
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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 8:24:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

This is a really general question that can cover most any kind of situation. From the submissive position, what are some good ways to respectfully address getting something important taken care of? Let's say it isn't something that he/she can't take care for the dominant or for him/herself. The dominant HAS to be the one to do it. Gentle reminders have come and gone. Paniced statements of what needs to be done, by when, why, and the fact that the submissive is getting very stressed have yielded nothing. The clock is ticking. Time is running out. There has to be something better than, "Excuse me please Sir/Maam, but would you kindly get off your lazy behind and take care of this before all hell breaks loose? I am about to strangle you in your sleep if you don't. Thanks!".

I am intentionally making this a little humorous, but the reality is that occasionally confrontation may be needed in any relationship. The power dynamics do not necessarily impede good, everyday communication, but at that point where other couples may become more forceful, that is just not a good fit. I, for one, am encouraged to speak my mind and lay problems on the table, but I had better do it with a very careful eye to respect and with regard to position within the relationship. How do you communicate serious problems, hurt, or frustration (or how would you want it communicated to you)? It may seem like a very basic question, but I see a lot of this sort of balancing issue as part of a lot of posts here. How does one maintain respect and the power structure without having very significant issues fall through the cracks?

I will look forward to courteous discussion. Thanks!

lovingpet

As far as communication, all that should be needed as simple respect. A dominant has the responsibility of "keeping his/her house in order" The situation you describe should never happen under normal circumstances.

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 9:17:31 PM   
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It's actually a really common relationship problem, just with a slightly different slant.  Personally I believe that you have to be more obvious than you think is necessary in order to accomplish communication.  That's code for just spit it out. :)

When asking something of a dom partner, in general it really just means being more respectful and deferential toward the person you're asking.  Never use the word "you" as in, "you do this" "you do that" etc.  Express everything in terms of "I" like "I feel" "I want" etc.  Ask permission to speak to them about whatever it is.  Keep it fixed in your mind that the goal is the mutual benefit for the couple.  Use lots of please's and thank you's.  Ask for changes, and ask if they would consider them.  Ask what they think about them, etc. 

Just some ideas.

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 9:19:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet

I generally tend to think of this situation as being related to something where legal and/or financial constraints cause it to fall squarely in the dominant's court. Physical matters such as you mentioned could be in there, but I don't think it would be too hard to have alternative options or to just wait for a better time.

When I say can't, I mean literally, this HAS to be done by this specific person in the relationship. I doubt most of the time it is a matter of these major things not being important, but not understanding the position of having something that big in someone else's hands and one's own fate resting on what that other person does or doesn't do.

lovingpet


Ok, because this will affect both of you in the long run, you might need to really step it up a bit. You did the gentle reminding, now it is time to *politely* say "If "X" is not done by such and such date, we will lose the contract on the house" or whatever the issue is.

I know this move has been making you a bit crazy, which is understandable. But pointing out that certain things will not be able to happen without everyone doing their part is not disrespectful.

Since this will have an affect on YOU as well as him, you need to deal with it. If it were something like the registration on his car going to expire (in NJ, the owner MUST be the one to renew), I would just let the natural consequence (license suspension) happen and not worry about it. But when it is going to impact YOUR life as well, then you need to do what you need to do.

Is there a reason why he ISN'T doing it?

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RE: Getting the Job Done - 1/9/2010 9:48:19 PM   
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quote:

Ok, because this will affect both of you in the long run, you might need to really step it up a bit. You did the gentle reminding, now it is time to *politely* say "If "X" is not done by such and such date, we will lose the contract on the house" or whatever the issue is.


I agree with LafayetteLady (that's 2 for 2 tonight!) .

I'm not a submissive, but I have a full time job in which I directly report to the president of the company. Though he and I have a good report, he is the boss. When I see something that he needs to address but is not addressing, it is my duty to tell him.

A few things that I ensure I do in order to keep enjoying the excellent relationship I have with him are to tell him in private, never in front of other employees, to be direct and list to him the consequences of his lack of action as well as offer up my help and suggestion on how to navigate through this mess. The bottom line is that he knows what it is that he is dealing with and knows what he has to do. If he fails to take action, it can potentially hurt the company. At that point I have to think long and hard if I want to stay with a company where the primary leader isn't taking care of what he needs to. Fortunately for me, he listens to me when I raise a red flag.

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