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edge play - 1/9/2010 3:09:42 PM   
lally2


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Status: offline 		im curious to know what constitutes edge play for people. i imagined it to be those mind fuck moments when youre dominant has you tied up and approaches you with a newly sharpened knife and some sterristrips - but then i got to thinking that edgy can mean all sorts of things, if it involves pushing beyond the comfort zone in any situation.

at a club my Master at the time had me dressed in very little. he was showing me around various bits of equipment and asked me to step up to the st.andrews cross. he didnt cuff my wrists or my ankles but just told me to hold onto them. he then began to finger fuck me. the thing is, people were watching, in my state of relative nakedness and then suddenly in this incredibly private activity i had no choice but to do as he wished. for me this was edgy. moving myself away from being too self aware to submitting completely to the situation. though i wasnt tied down there was no question of choice.

for me the edgyness of being watched. men standing there with their arms folded across their chests and for the life of me i couldnt imagine the situation reaching a happy conclusion with me reaching orgasm so publicly. i mean i have never ever been in that situation before.

but i closed my eyes, got into the whole sub space thing and once id stopped worrying about how it was all going to end, if i was going to 'perform' adequately for my Master and the audience at large i had the biggest, gushiest, loudest orgasm in my life.

ive often looked back at that moment and realised that there is way way more to all of this than i can possibly imagine. my body took over completely and in the end i started to enjoy the fact that i was being watched and exposed - and that i had pleased my Master.

and so i was wondering if anyone else would like to share those amazing moments when you really really thought you couldnt and then found out that you really really could! obviously what i shared there isnt edge play in the pure sense, but it was edgy enough for me at the time, psychologically anyway and there must be some moments out there that stretched youre perceptions of yourself.

i should have used a different title - call it edgyish play



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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 3:19:15 PM   
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The cynical answer is that "edge play" tends to mean either a) what other people do that I refuse to do or b) whatever I'm doing cause I wanna be "edgy".

The somewhat more helpful is that, for me and mine, edge play is that which is less common and/or more likely to have a severe injury/death result. It's a very vague answer I realize and one that I know people are going to be debate me on but it's the defination that works pretty well for me. There is no offense intended but for me edge play isn't about pushing boundries because there are some of us who run eagerly into what I consider edge play and don't need pushing.

For the second question - I really can't think of anything I didn't think I could do that it turns out I could in terms of BDSM. Except for particular relationship styles there just isn't much of anything I haven't thought I could do. Most of the things I'm thinking of aren't done because I have back problems that would make it a bad idea, I know I couldn't do but I'm not interested in trying it or I just really wouldn't want to but probably would if Valyraen wanted to and supported me through it.

Umm... I didn't think I could steer my car out of a skid but I did. Does that count?

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 3:49:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Recently, I got to experience both electricity and fire play, which were the edgiest I'd ever played before.  And I loved it, along with the little bit of mindfucking that went along with it. 

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 3:50:50 PM   
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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 3:56:46 PM   
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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 3:58:25 PM   
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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:01:55 PM   
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The somewhat more helpful is that, for me and mine, edge play is that which is less common and/or more likely to have a severe injury/death result.


Hello,

This would also be close to my definition of edge play, expanded to include activities which simply offer greater risk, whether it is tangible or psychological.

Then again, i've seen bloodsports considered edge play, and while i might consider it certainly risky to engage in blood play with a complete stranger, i would not consider it edgy at all to do with a bonded partner.

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:03:58 PM   
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Recently, I got to experience both electricity and fire play, which were the edgiest I'd ever played before. And I loved it, along with the little bit of mindfucking that went along with it.


I thought those things were edgy until I tried them. They are pretty mild. Fire was actually relaxing to me. It didnt hurt. Now when the cupping was done and they were suctioning my skin and he tried to move them I screamed. SO I guess Aqua right. Its whatever is my limit. I cringe at the idea of kneedle play. I like Thud and sharp is difficult for me. So I see people getting string bras and needles in their skin and think "wow", but "NO".

YEs, My last tatoo was pretty unbareable...

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:04:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2

im curious to know what constitutes edge play for people. i imagined it to be those mind fuck moments when youre dominant has you tied up and approaches you with a newly sharpened knife and some sterristrips - but then i got to thinking that edgy can mean all sorts of things, if it involves pushing beyond the comfort zone in any situation.


I'm reading The New Topping Book, and this how the authors define edge play.  Anything that is on the "edge" of your comfort zone and threatens to push you out of it.  So one person might consider scarves around the wrist edge-play, and someone else might consider having sex while suspended over lava entirely to boring for them.

I used to think edge play just meant play involving knives and blades.  Things with noteworthy edges.  I think I kind of prefer that definition, but both work for me.



oh cool! - thanks for letting me know that, appreciate it. xx


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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:05:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Recently, I got to experience both electricity and fire play, which were the edgiest I'd ever played before.  And I loved it, along with the little bit of mindfucking that went along with it. 


how does that play, so to speak, i mean whats involved

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:05:33 PM   
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what constitutes edge play for people


Edge play is where you cross safety boundaries, and accept a certain level of risk. What you call "edgy" is a personal perception of elevated awareness, and that is what you do ask - what constitutes edge play for people. Edge is a definition more than a perception - I would hate to have to quiz a sub on what she feels edge play is, that should be clear to her and all without personal interpretation, same as "sadism" and "masochism" and "homosexuality" and "tornado" - stuff you can look up in a dictionary.

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:11:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: alittleevil

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

The somewhat more helpful is that, for me and mine, edge play is that which is less common and/or more likely to have a severe injury/death result.


Hello,

This would also be close to my definition of edge play, expanded to include activities which simply offer greater risk, whether it is tangible or psychological.

Then again, i've seen bloodsports considered edge play, and while i might consider it certainly risky to engage in blood play with a complete stranger, i would not consider it edgy at all to do with a bonded partner.

Peace,
aj



Mmm... I suppose I would define bloodplay as edge-play because of bloodborn diseases that players wouldn't otherwise be exposed to and that, when playing in public or with shared toys, the extra-careful clean-up that needs to take place. I remember freaking out when I realized I had cuts (very minor, hence while I didn't notice I was actually being cut a bit instead of simply being scratched) from a scene where I wasn't told the knives were sharp enough to cut. I was newish, didn't ask, not really anyone's fault but I freaked out anyone because I didn't know if that toy had been used on anyone else before me that night.

I do agree that with a bonded partner I don't see a problem though I suggest blood tests first. Valyraen and I engage in it from time to time.

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:17:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2


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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Recently, I got to experience both electricity and fire play, which were the edgiest I'd ever played before.  And I loved it, along with the little bit of mindfucking that went along with it. 


how does that play, so to speak, i mean whats involved


There's tons of variations but I've most commonly seen fireplay be a flammable liquid that is spread on a small area of skin, lit, allowed to burn a second or two and then the top puts it out with a sweep of their hand. Or, as I mentioned, a flogger made specifically for this type of play dipped in a flammable liquid, lit on fire and the bottom is flogged with the top making sure that the tails only touch the skin for a second to prevent burning.

Electricity can be done with a violet wand, a machine that provides (basically) a continuous static shock wherever the attachment touches. It's very fun if you have body piercings or are wearing a steel-boned corset or other garments with metal in them. There are also TENS units which I completely unfamiliar with but I believe are supposed to trigger orgasms.

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:21:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I put up this topic a while back.  Along with the answers that you get here, you might enjoy reading the thread from a while back.   Where is your edge?


ETA, I'm not sure why the link isn't working, but searching those key words with Me as the author will bring up the thread.  Here's the original post:

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I consider Myself an edge player.***  I get the greatest thrills by playing on the edge.  I am not a SSC person.  I prefer to follow RACK.

"Edge play" as defined in "The New Topping Book" as "found wherever your edge is, whenever things start to feel risky, where you start to feel vulnerable, the edge of the cliff that looks over your personal abyss."  To Me, skirting on the edge is not the same as playing with a hard limit.  They are completely separate.  Rather, the edge is taking someone (or being taken) is about pushing the envelope.  Going just a little farther, soaring a little higher, or experiencing something new.  It could be pushing the comfort zone or a new twist on a favorite activity.

With this in mind, where is your edge?


***  This post was not generate in any way to offend those who do not participate in edge play.  Nobody is better or worse for the activities that they engage in.




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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:27:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2


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Recently, I got to experience both electricity and fire play, which were the edgiest I'd ever played before.  And I loved it, along with the little bit of mindfucking that went along with it. 


how does that play, so to speak, i mean whats involved


You have cmail, lally :)

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 4:34:12 PM   
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i'm curious to know what constitutes edge play for people.


I usually associate edge play with activities that have an element of real danger. Breath play. Gun play with loaded weapons. Mock hangings or guillotines. Some things that don't have any real danger aspect but are just a little bit out there (scat, for example) are things I also include in that group. I don't classify needle play as edge play. Properly done there is no real danger - just pain and dread, which is the point of it all. Violet wands and tens units constitute the bulk of most people's electrical play and neither of those is terribly edgy. A cattle prod can up the intensity ante but it's still not all that. The anxiety involved is a much bigger deal than the event.


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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 5:31:55 PM   
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Mmm... I suppose I would define bloodplay as edge-play because of bloodborn diseases that players wouldn't otherwise be exposed to and that, when playing in public or with shared toys, the extra-careful clean-up that needs to take place. I remember freaking out when I realized I had cuts (very minor, hence while I didn't notice I was actually being cut a bit instead of simply being scratched) from a scene where I wasn't told the knives were sharp enough to cut. I was newish, didn't ask, not really anyone's fault but I freaked out anyone because I didn't know if that toy had been used on anyone else before me that night.

I do agree that with a bonded partner I don't see a problem though I suggest blood tests first. Valyraen and I engage in it from time to time.


Hello,

Yes, i would qualify "bloodsports with some unknown or extra variable involved" (such as those you mentioned) as edgy.  In the privacy of my own home, with a bonded partner, blood play wouldn't be edgy (to me) in the slightest.  If there is a risk involved (that can't be mitigated by simply knowing what you are doing), i can't find one, so (to me) it just doesn't seem edgy.  Which doesn't answer the question (which there wasn't  ;-) ) of whether blood play itself is edge play or if it is simply the circumstances in which it occurs.

Breath play, as an example on the other hand, i would across the board qualify as edge play, simply because, to the best of my ability to determine, there is always a degree of risk--of unpredictable variables that can only be mitigated not removed--involved. 

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 6:53:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anything that brings me close to death is edgeplay....breathplay, knifeplay if he's actually cutting me or sticking it in my cunt, fireplay if he's actually burning me with it...just off the top of my head.

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RE: edge play - 1/9/2010 10:13:39 PM   
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Which doesn't answer the question (which there wasn't  ;-) ) of whether blood play itself is edge play or if it is simply the circumstances in which it occurs.

It's a good point to raise though. Another one would be "how are you getting the blood?". With us, for example, Val puts on a very sharp pair of fangs and scratches at my flesh harder and harder until he draws a thin, small cut (usually along my shoulder, over bone and away from major veins and arteries) and then suckles. I don't consider that "edgy". But if he were taking say... a razor blade over major sources of blood, I would consider that edgy because if there were a mistake, it could be very, very bad.
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Breath play, as an example on the other hand, i would across the board qualify as edge play, simply because, to the best of my ability to determine, there is always a degree of risk--of unpredictable variables that can only be mitigated not removed--involved. 

That's something I'll heartily agree with! It's something I really enjoy but Val accidently squeezed too hard once. I managed to signal that things were wrong very quickly but it was very frightening for both of us and not an experience we care to repeat.

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RE: edge play - 1/10/2010 1:07:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Edge play: If there is a slip up and it can  physically/mentally damage some one so they have to seek help or  if  slipping up can kill someone.

That is my take on things at least.

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