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redwoodgirl -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 8:50:17 AM)

ive seen that profile before.......
(insert creepy music here)




mnottertail -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 8:54:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jonnyringpiece

ron : btw... sounds like you've considered those fantasy points long prior to my 'interjection' in this forum  - just sayin' :)



every man jack and woman jill of us has, in one mileu or another, I should think.

Ron




jonnyringpiece -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 9:01:27 AM)

latigresse : you'd probably moan too, if i posted a comment (you disagreed with) and then fuckedoff  - so i shalln't be too upset. If you don't like the content of this thread, don't comment on it - noone's twisting yer arm.




LaTigresse -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 9:10:04 AM)

I only moan for really good things. As for here, nothing on here upsets me.




AAkasha -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 9:51:59 AM)


In a lot of ways what you say is true. But the male fantasy of a "femdom" often also includes a woman who dominates rather indiscriminately - there's no courtship, no mutual affection, no relationship and no basis for it. She just gets off dominating and he's the prey and then she just does her thing.

I've dominated a lot of submissives, a lot of vanillas and a lot of bottoms. There's no "one type" of sub/bottom. They vary on a spectrum.  But there are many men who enjoy bending to the will of a woman and do so selflessly - this is an act of devotion. But like the unrealistic "male sub" fantasy, this is an unrealistic fairy tale for women, dominant and otherwise.  No man gives valuable, undying affection and selflessness to a woman he's not deeply devoted to based on mutual affection!  If he does, then he does so arbitrarily - and what value is that?  Just as the "unrealistic male sub fantasy" is a woman who is instant-kinky-femdom is the unrealistic woman's fantasy that a man is instantly-devoted-and-selfless.  S&M and femdom are not a "fast track" to love and devotion. If a couple finds themselves in a relationship like that, it's not built on a strong foundation, it's built on fantasy. First sign of trouble and it shatters.

Both people in a relationship will "tolerate" a level of bullshit and drama based on the return on investment. If they are seeking fun, kink and thrills and both people are game for that, then each person will put up with it as long as they are getting what they want.  You add in a fat dose of manipulation on both sides and  you have all kinds of dysfunctional couples practicing S&M and screwing around with each other's heads.

You can't "roleplay" devotion and expect the relationship to sustain the real trials and tribulations of enduring romance and affection.  Many try, but it just doesn't work.

Akasha




jonnyringpiece -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 10:46:20 AM)

Akasha : thoughtful & interesting . i thank you.




jonnyringpiece -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 10:59:58 AM)

latigresse : methinks you just want the last word.. but i won't let ya have it..   
i'll check in here in a decades time, just to make sure, if i have to    :)




LadyPact -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 11:20:00 AM)

Truthfully, I don't have answers to your questions.  What I can tell you is that, based on My life experiences, we have drawn different conclusions on the matter.  It's either that, or I have only had the fortune to find that one percent that you speak of to be involved with in My life.  While the second possibility would be great for My ego and allow Me to put Myself on the back in My screening methods, I highly doubt that is the case.




jonnyringpiece -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 11:32:26 AM)

heh.. my 1% isn't scientific (dontcha know!) .. only anecdotal, of course. So there may be more than i give credit for.




leadership527 -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 12:08:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Explain to Me why you believe someone's genitals has any bearing in this?  I.E. there are female submissives who submit because it is in their nature, but males only do it because their dick is involved.
What LP said. I might also add that problems only result when there is a mismatch involved. If you hook up a top/bottom (my interpretation of those is that of bedroom only D/s) with a lifestyle dom or sub, then there's going to be friction and unhappiness. Someone who wishes to submit only in the bedroom or only for sexual reasons or only on Tuesdays is not a faker. They are simply a person with a specific set of needs which may or may not align with someone else's. Just like any relationship, the trick is matching like and like.

In general, the answer to ALL of your questions is "yes" probably for anyone. The only real question is what triggers those events. But as sub as Carol is to me, rest assured that if I became an annoyance to her over the long-term, then something would change.




jonnyringpiece -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 12:12:43 PM)

would like to revisit a point made earlier, re: service orientated subs.
can i ask why such types don't find a more deserving cause for service, if that be their motive? 
(like the church volunteer group for example, or local homeless shelter)
why do these men, always find themselves in the service of someone of the desired opposite sex who just happens to have a penchant for bdsm??
why is a bossy female deserving of "service" in the minds of these men?
please, i'd really like to know!
it beggars my belief to think there is no sexual gratification obtained in such cases, however subliminally it may manifest.




mnottertail -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 12:13:40 PM)

that very thread is going on in ask a mistress right now.




LaTigresse -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 12:26:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jonnyringpiece

latigresse : methinks you just want the last word.. but i won't let ya have it..   
i'll check in here in a decades time, just to make sure, if i have to    :)


Of course I do.[:D]




jonnyringpiece -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 12:29:42 PM)

 ... not!
(can you see my flag?? it aint clear)




MsSpookshow -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/23/2009 12:50:19 PM)

From my dominant point of view most submissives are such because it is part of who they are on one level or another. Not all subs are "all around subs" meaning that they do service as well as pleasure. Some are geared to do one or the other, most can do both and enjoy it.

Most male subs that I have been with were and are genuinely submissive towards me. In most cases sex was never part of the deal at the time.

Why do some subs get pissed at their Dominants? Many reasons, mainly because they are human.

Just my two cents.




HimNbabygirl -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/24/2009 11:18:41 PM)

jonhnyringpiece may i ask why you ran from the contract signing and your Domme? all you have done is whine about what a bitch she was. personally as a sub even if i had a horrible experience with a Dominant, i would not anonymously complain about them behind their back. you can, if this Domme did something dangerous, did not adhere to agreements, was abusive, etc. tell other submissives to warn them, but you do it openly. Now on the other hand, if she just didn't do it for you, that is no excuse at all for the flaming and gives submissives a bad name. Grow up. Act like a decent human being if you are incapable of acting like a man.


His baby girl 




Loki45 -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/25/2009 12:20:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jonnyringpiece
ron : masturbation is preferable to being with an annoying bitch.


Truer words have never been spoken. I would have, of course, added a few more adjectives, but that's just my opinion.




thishereboi -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/25/2009 5:42:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jonnyringpiece

latigresse : methinks you just want the last word.. but i won't let ya have it..   
i'll check in here in a decades time, just to make sure, if i have to    :)


How mature of you.[8|]




CaringandReal -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/25/2009 5:46:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jonnyringpiece

would like to revisit a point made earlier, re: service orientated subs.
can i ask why such types don't find a more deserving cause for service, if that be their motive? 
(like the church volunteer group for example, or local homeless shelter)
why do these men, always find themselves in the service of someone of the desired opposite sex who just happens to have a penchant for bdsm??
why is a bossy female deserving of "service" in the minds of these men?
please, i'd really like to know!
it beggars my belief to think there is no sexual gratification obtained in such cases, however subliminally it may manifest.



Of course there's sexual gratification involved in non-sexual service to a dominant. But it may not be the sort some people arbitrarily label sexual gratification (something that ends with an O).

Some of us have a "vocation," to use the old-fashioned term for it. We find intense sexual pleasure and emotional gratification in personal service _of any sort_ to the right dominant, as long as it is what the dominant wants. For some of us, the biggest sexual thrill (whether it involves relaxing the built up pressure in the plumbing...or not) is to not have any choice or say about how that service is expressed. I personally would not trade that "not having any say" experience for all the orgasms in pornoland. I have met a very few male subs who are like me in that regard, so I know they exist. They are generally already owned or quickly snapped up. With female subs it is a bit different. While in males, it's easy to see who is like this and who is not, women are a bit more subtle and disingenous about it. Almost all of us are good at mouthing the "selflessless" talk when we want something (such as a particular dominant or sometimes such as peer group recognition for being selfless), but those who genuinely walk it are as few and far between as the male submissives. Therefore, for those attracted to female subs who know and understand the breed it becomes more a matter of determining what is real and what is just talk, rather then finding that rare submissive who sticks out like sore thumb among her peers due to her strikingly different attitudes. No single needle shining in the sun in the haystack. Thousands of needles in a single haystack, all brightly shining and seemingly solid, but only one or two will hold their shape long enough to even be threaded (let alone be a good sewing tool).

Who in their right mind in this world does anything sexual because it is a "deserving cause?" Yes, we may pick one charity over another in order to lower our taxes, but that's a decision that affects less than five minutes of our time, the time it takes to write a check (or even the single evening spent in a soup kitchen ladeling out the grub to the hungry and feeling good about oneself for doing so rather than imagining the horror of those peoples' daily lives, which make up in illness and crime and exposure for what they lack in meals). Almost nobody likes to do "pity fucks" (you don't feel very clean after one of those) and I certainly don't ever intend to spend libido-dampening time and energry serving some generic "it's been around forever and therefore supposed to be good" cause or social institution whos "goodness" and deservingness I can never genuinely ascertain for myself due to the size and anonymity of the organization (and due to my knowledge of the types of terrible people who are often attracted to such organizations). I don't even know if soup kitchens are a "good" cause, I can imagine dozens of instances in which they do more harm than good. But a single human being is on a scale that I can at least comprehend and to me there is nothing better than serving somebody who is worhty of such service.

Thank you for posting this thread. Your attitude is helping me to understand why some dominant women are so bitter and cynical, why they think in terms of the sub's money and skills instead of his personality. If I were dominant and all I ever ecountered in submissives were the totally selfish selfish "do me exactly as I want to be done and then goodbyee until the next horiness hits!" types, rather than the unconditionally devoted types, I'd probably be a bit jaded myself, and realize I had to look out for my own best interests first, because it's certainly not something most submissives think of.




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: ditch the bitch. (11/25/2009 5:59:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jonnyringpiece

why is a bossy female deserving of "service" in the minds of these men?
please, i'd really like to know!



Because I'm hot.




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