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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 6:35:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I consider something a vice if it is taken to excess. I enjoy good healthy LUST. keeps the heart pounding and the loins twitching. Were I to lust after a mate's wife that would be a vice and a sin for me so that is a no go zone. However when I see the endless parade of  nubile females wearing shin tight jeans or short dresses showing off long shapely legs and wearing skimpy tops thus displaying naked stomachs, I lust to have them all collared, naked and kneeling before a suitable Master. (No not necessarily me. At my age there is a limit and I prefer quality over quantity) Are such thoughts a vice? Hell no just healthy observations. 

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 7:28:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP: If you are concerned that it might be a vice, then I would suggest that, for you at least, it may well be.


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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 7:52:21 AM   
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I don't drink, smoke, take drugs or gamble my money away, but I am kinky.

Should I consider it a vice?



That depends upon what you mean by "kinky". This question is also entirely relative to the observer. There is no right or wrong here, except in the more extreme examples of behavior that harms others who are non-consenting. Everything else is one's own choice and a declaration of personal accountability for them.

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 11:46:17 AM   
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Should I consider it a vice?


I can't answer your question, but I can probably contribute something to your thinking about it...

I don't use the word vice, except ironically.  I smoke, and when I mention that to people, I often add "everybody needs a vice, and smoking's mine."  In my mind, its healthy to indulge a vice or two.  Its a more balaced way of living.  I've always found squeaky clean folks to be repulsive.  Sometimes, I want a cheap easy thrill so I surf porn sites looking for something to get off on.  No big deal.  Sometimes, I want to take the easy way out of a down mood, so I have a drink or do something like that.  I drink coffee--good coffee made using a melita style cone filter and fresh ground beans.  I add sugar and half and half to it.  Its an addiction and one of my few indulgences, so I don't compromise on it.  And I'm not ashamed about it either, though I could see how folks might consider it a vice if taken to excess.

Culturally, our notion of vice comes from our puritan heritage (at least in the US).  I'm not a puritan so common place notions about vice don't work for me.  When you get right down to it, I'm pretty amoral when it comes to behaviors engaged in by consenting individuals.  That having been said, lots of folks get off on the transgressive aspects of bd/sm.  They think they're doing something bad, and thats part of why they enjoy it.  They like the idea that they have a secret life; that they can be a normal, unpstanding, clean cut citizen by day and a filthy little sex feind by night.  For such people, its probably best to continue to think of kink as a dark and dirty vice because it makes it hotter and enhances their pleasure.

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 12:09:16 PM   
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All joking aside, bdsm in and of itself is not a vice. If it causes you shame or becomes a full blow addiction, then it is something to consider. With the exception of some extremely conservative communities, it is fair to say that if you sat in a room full of adults, one person's kinky is going to be another's mild and on it goes. Remember, kinky can be something as simple as using more than one sex position, oral, anal, or just signs of affection in public. Kinky is a matter of perspective and honestly has not a thing to do with its morality. The question is do you have control of the kink or does the kink have control of you?

lovingpet
whose kink may just be a vice after all, flamingo or not

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 1:28:03 PM   
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whose kink may just be a vice after all, flamingo or not


lovingpet,

it is only a vice when it involves keeping company with special young ladies that incite thoughts of debauchery that threaten to smear my respectability.

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 1:38:20 PM   
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whose kink may just be a vice after all, flamingo or not


lovingpet,

it is only a vice when it involves keeping company with special young ladies that incite thoughts of debauchery that threaten to smear my respectability.

porcelaine



You have respectability????

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 1:41:33 PM   
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You have respectability????


lovingpet,

indeed i do and i'm well behaved as well. *shy smile*

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 2:47:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stone the crows between lovingpet and porcelain , I'm committing a vice with all the dirty lustful thoughts and visions I am having.. Stop it you two, you are in the process of leading this innocent ursine astray.


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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 3:18:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only if it causes you discomfort or despair. 

Seriously, is it a vice?  Is eating ice cream a vice?  Is smoking a cigar a vice?  Is running a vice?  None of them are vices unless they cause you problems (physical / mental) or they are taken to an extreme that is intrinsically bad.  For some people one drink is a problem.  For others a bottle.  For others.  It's just not a problem at all.

You might want to see a kink friendly therapist to help you sort it out.

good luck

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 5:30:33 PM   
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Is bdsm a vice?



For some, yes... for some, no.  Period.



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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 5:45:48 PM   
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Stone the crows between lovingpet and porcelain , I'm committing a vice with all the dirty lustful thoughts and visions I am having.. Stop it you two, you are in the process of leading this innocent ursine astray.



You know, IB, we might could totally be convinced to do some rather unspeakable and truly depraved and unnatural acts since it is that Halloween season if only you asked nicely. What's the magic word? giggles

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 6:29:09 PM   
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You know, IB, we might could totally be convinced to do some rather unspeakable and truly depraved and unnatural acts since it is that Halloween season if only you asked nicely. What's the magic word? giggles

lovingpet

*runs now*


lovingpet,

it's that helpful spirit of yours that always has me concerned. depraved and unnatural? and you don't think you're a bad influence? i'm sitting this one out. but... i have those nifty 3-d glasses so i can see all the good stuff.

porcelaine


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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/30/2009 8:09:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think almost anything can become a vice.

Religion can become a vice, if it trips over into bigotry and intolerance.

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/31/2009 12:43:24 AM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: lovingpet


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Stone the crows between lovingpet and porcelain , I'm committing a vice with all the dirty lustful thoughts and visions I am having.. Stop it you two, you are in the process of leading this innocent ursine astray.



You know, IB, we might could totally be convinced to do some rather unspeakable and truly depraved and unnatural acts since it is that Halloween season if only you asked nicely. What's the magic word? giggles

lovingpet

*runs now*


PWEESE! PWETTY PWEESE?

Said with pipe firmly clenched between teeth and puffing large clouds of aromatic tobacco smoke into the air..


< Message edited by IronBear -- 10/31/2009 12:46:20 AM >

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/31/2009 9:04:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Stone the crows between lovingpet and porcelain , I'm committing a vice with all the dirty lustful thoughts and visions I am having.. Stop it you two, you are in the process of leading this innocent ursine astray.



You know, IB, we might could totally be convinced to do some rather unspeakable and truly depraved and unnatural acts since it is that Halloween season if only you asked nicely. What's the magic word? giggles

lovingpet

*runs now*


PWEESE! PWETTY PWEESE?

Said with pipe firmly clenched between teeth and puffing large clouds of aromatic tobacco smoke into the air..



Hehe!!! It truly is Halloween. The world has gone all parallel universe on us! The correct magic word is NOW!!!!!

I may still be convinced anyway......

Now THAT's perverse!

lovingpet

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/31/2009 11:32:41 AM   
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I don't drink, smoke, take drugs or gamble



Crossing saltcod off the New Year's eve invite list.

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/31/2009 11:52:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see it as a vice; more a proclivity.

"pro·cliv·i·ty: an inclination or predisposition toward something; especially : a strong inherent inclination toward something objectionable"

I would amend the above to include..that some find objectionable


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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/31/2009 2:05:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any time you give up your power and let someone have their way with you, its risky behaviour and is a vice.  Sometimes that vice will bite you in the end....

Be careful who you trust.....

Trust in this advice....a spoonful of careful will save you a heaping of bucketload of misery.....

(watch the movie Misery, and this writer didn't even have the vice of allowing people to tie them up)

Accidents and mistakes happen, Even Sadism is a vice, because you can make mistakes and have the other person's health at risk....

Let me elaborate:  Any behaviour you want to repeat that puts your health at risk is a vice.  The fact that knowing it is a vice and wanting to do it regardless shows its addictive quality......

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RE: Is bdsm a vice? - 10/31/2009 9:51:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		The labeling of something as vice is difficult because vice is not always wearing the same mask. Vice is a metonymic word for a nebulous behavior. The definition of vice changes, in other words. A vice is now transfatty (not describing anyone on CM) acids in foods. So why are we fascinated with vice and sin? Because we are infatuated with REPRESSION of it. The Temperance Movement represented that desire to repress well. Current day obsessions about those into BDSM and other things demonstrate a New Temperance Movement feeding off the same political desire to control others.

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