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What I learned about the census ... - 10/21/2009 5:55:20 AM   
MsFlutter


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Status: offline 		I learned that I could be fined no more than $100 for refusing to participate in the upcoming Census. Based on my readings so far, a fine of this nature has never been imposed.

My privacy is worth $100.

Would you spend $100 to protect your privacy and/or spare yourself that torturously bothersome form that goes on for pages and pages?







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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/21/2009 6:02:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		No. I will keep my C-Note. I think it's very important to be counted.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/21/2009 6:27:16 AM   
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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/21/2009 7:30:01 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		I am not too worried about it.

people move around.  You did not want to see me the last cencsus.  I wanted the long form and insisted on receiving one.  Jim and I got on 3 way calling and I told them I really had to have the long form.  Then I "learned" if I did not fill out the form- they would send a rep and I would invite the rep inside and tell him about all of my concerns... all of them.

LOL.
As it turns out I filled it out and wrote my thoughts in the blank space.

so here we are-    that all would be fine except that I moved..... lol.      So airport noise is fixed and the burn barrel smoke is fixed...

The more I wanted to have coffee with a rep they wanted to send if I refused the form- somehow I gathered they were not too interested in hearing all of my many census related complaints!!!

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/21/2009 7:30:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wish everyone in Ohio would refuse. That way we shouldn't get the federal highway funds. I swear you can't drive anywhere in this state.

In other words some of us do not like the representation.

I wouldn't give them the $100, but if I ever go through that I'll be damn sure to let you know what happens when you refuse to pay the fine.

T

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/21/2009 12:20:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I learned that if you don't fill out the questionairre and send it back, you will get phone calls until you answer at least some of the questions, and that you have the right to refuse to any question you don't want to, with no penalty.  So, I answered some of the questions, and kept my C-note.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/21/2009 12:32:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsFlutter

I learned that I could be fined no more than $100 for refusing to participate in the upcoming Census. Based on my readings so far, a fine of this nature has never been imposed.

My privacy is worth $100.

Would you spend $100 to protect your privacy and/or spare yourself that torturously bothersome form that goes on for pages and pages?


The only question you have to answer is number and ages of people at the address. Failing to answer that question is silly since it means you'll pay taxes for the next decade and receive less benefits from those taxes since all spending based on population will exclude you and you'll be out $100 extra.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/21/2009 7:31:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Term, driving in Ohio wouldn't be nearly so bad if they'd get rid of the split speed. That's crazy

I just hope it isn't too long a process filling it out. I remember being under 10 when we got one, and my Dad "let" me fill it out. I was thrilled to be allowed to do such a responsible job. I imagine he was thrilled to be spared it!

However I'm a New Yorker and we came up with the short end of the stick from the 1990 one. The amount of immigrants in NY is overwhelming. Many of whom do not speak or read and write sufficient English to fill it out even if they were inclined to. And no, they don't hire census takers in the 91 different languages that kids in the NYC school system speak. The schools were vastly underfunded as a result.

I think it's time to update this to a statistical sampling, even if it requires a bill to do so. The logic behind it that some people aren't full people is no longer valid. They use the same services as real people.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/22/2009 6:50:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I did not think roads in Ohio were really all that bad.  At least passing thru they are not.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/27/2009 8:54:49 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		http://cafr1.com/MAV.html  check out this video.  I wonder if that goes arye in 30 years... if you read the mil report about concerns of the future- it does make you wonder.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/27/2009 1:53:20 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		As much as I hate to admit it refusing the census is against the law. By that I mean real law, not all the chickenscribble they churn out. The fact is the Constitution calls for enumeration of the population, to facilitate represention etc., so they do have the lawful right to ask.

However this last time around I got the long form and of course refused to fill it out. Out came the representative. I refused the questions about work, level of income and all that. I gave them what was required by law. They have no business asking what hours I work, how much I make or any of that. They did want to gather alot more info, and the subject has been the topic of more than one discussion. However that is called for in their chickenscribble, what's real is they need to know how many people live in the house.

If it was required to answer EVERY question, like I said I would let you know what happens when you refuse to give up the hundred buck fine. The reality is, the guy left and I never heard a thing about it since.

T

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/27/2009 4:55:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Term, driving in Ohio wouldn't be nearly so bad if they'd get rid of the split speed. That's crazy

It was done away with awhile ago...

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/28/2009 4:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello! Why would you refuse the census? You could do good! PLUS they pay you! I got 40 dollars for me and forty for my husband once per year until they stopped coming by. You wont get into trouble for answering their questions.

Yes. It takes time from your day once per year. Oh well. Once again they Pay you 40 bucks per hour. Maybe its more now even.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/28/2009 6:28:51 PM   
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Yes. It takes time from your day once per year.


Once per decade, actually.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/28/2009 9:21:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I worked on the 2000 Census as a NARFU and CIFU. The funny thing about folks who refuse to answer the questions. They look the stuff up anyway. If you actually wanted to not be noticed fill out the form and send it in. IF you refuse you get on a list. Term, you ended up with people going through all kinds of records to get data on you. They got more than if you had just filled out the form. But it is a great high paying Part time Job.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/29/2009 1:07:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		And they HAVE to count you--it's a Constitutional requirement.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/29/2009 1:33:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I worked on the 2000 Census as a NARFU and CIFU. The funny thing about folks who refuse to answer the questions. They look the stuff up anyway. If you actually wanted to not be noticed fill out the form and send it in. IF you refuse you get on a list. Term, you ended up with people going through all kinds of records to get data on you. They got more than if you had just filled out the form. But it is a great high paying Part time Job.


I also worked the 2000 Census. You are absolutely right on them finding a way to count you anyway. In my small town they will actually send a deputy out to your residence if you adamantly refuse. If you refuse him then they do get the information from records. Everyone is counted, even the immigrants. Legal or otherwise. This time around I am waiting for the mapping, etc to finish before enlisting again. It's a great part time job with excellent pay for my neck of the woods.

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/29/2009 3:20:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you are that bothered about what you have to write for other's prying eyes, just be sketchy in what you write, or fill in the question but put something other than what is the correct answer.

Our proposed census has caused comment already, as it seems the government wants to know more about bedroom arrangements, who we sleep with.


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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/29/2009 9:44:38 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		man some worked the 2000?  what an old bunch of really old farts here!!!

We sure are an aging society!

geratol for all!!!!!

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RE: What I learned about the census ... - 10/29/2009 11:12:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to clarify:

I would happily respond to the Census Gods to tell them how many people live in my house. That is all they need to know. Several lawyers and a couple scholars of congressional rhetoric tell me that is, by law, all the information I am required to provide.

My beef is not with being counted. My beef is them spending tax dollars to ask me questions that are none of their business in the first dayum place.


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