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proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 8:26:00 PM   
gentlewhispers


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Status: offline 		Maybe this is more of a rant than a question.  I am not sure how to put it.  I just got done reading a profile of a switch who viewed mine.  I read her journal.  In it she references a slave as being something low.  That if some one was to serve her that it would make them LESS than a slave.  It infuriates me when I see that.  I am a slave.  I am proud of being a slave.  I think it takes great strength...both physical and mental, control, desire, willpower, etc to be a slave.  To be a good slave.  I am not claiming at all to be perfect or to be the top of the food chain.  What bothers me is when people refer to being a slave as a bad thing.  That slaves are dirt.  I totally respect all the responsibilites that a Master takes on with owning.  Why is it that some feel that being a slave is a simple thing?  Why is it that being a slave is not a respectful position?  May some of you share your views on this please?  Am I the only slave who feels proud of being a slave for the obvious reason?  Thank you in advance for you opinions. 
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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 8:30:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		She's a twit. More than that, she's a stupid one. If you claim to be a switch and then tell people who you want to bottom to you that you totally disrespect them, then don't expect any takers.

Just put her on block and move on.

Out damned typo!

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 8:38:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		aside from what Des said (go go Des!), I can tell you that what I respect is people who are able to stand and deliver for their partner in whatever way works. I respect good partners. I can't, for the life of me, understand why it matters which end of the leash their on.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 8:54:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Des and Leader.  I appreciate your input and agree.     

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 10:13:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have compassion. They are not making judgments about you, they are making judgments about themselves and their ideas of what "slave" is... to them. It has no bearing on who you are or what your spirit says.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 10:23:46 PM   
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They are not making judgments about you, they are making judgments about themselves and their ideas of what "slave" is... to them.


This.

And to be fair there are people out there that want to be treated that way.

There are also people out there that want someone like you... so it's just a matter of realizing that the term "slave" means something different to different people.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 10:33:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elipsis

quote:

They are not making judgments about you, they are making judgments about themselves and their ideas of what "slave" is... to them.


This.

And to be fair there are people out there that want to be treated that way.

There are also people out there that want someone like you... so it's just a matter of realizing that the term "slave" means something different to different people.



what he said

When I was looking I had it in my profile, if you consider yourself a wimp, slut, scum, etc. then I am not for you.  To me slaves are proud and strong....very far from weak, and not the kind of person I want in my life.

Some people think it's expected of them to think that way, on both sides.  I always tell people be yourself, don't do what other's "expect" otherwise how are we going to know the real you?

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 11:00:33 PM   
porcelaine


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quote:

ORIGINAL: gentlewhispers

Why is it that some feel that being a slave is a simple thing?  Why is it that being a slave is not a respectful position?  May some of you share your views on this please?  Am I the only slave who feels proud of being a slave for the obvious reason?  Thank you in advance for you opinions. 


because there's no universal accepted definition that everyone can agree on. since the slave exists for his pleasure and his use of her is determined by what he enjoys, the magnitude of such will differ from person to person. my opinion of what constitutes slavery is generally more absolute oriented and falls along the line of Owner/property relations. this doesn't mean i discount the validity of other paths or those that follow them, that simply isn't how i view the dynamic.

in regard to personal pride, you and i approach this differently. i enjoy the person i've become and take pride in that, not the fact i'm a slave. my ego has no place in this. whether others consider me in a positive light or not is only a concern as it reflects on my Owner, but personally i couldn't care less. my interests rests in what he feels and whether i'm meeting the standards he's devised.

as for the things you've noticed, there are certain owners who prefer girls that are seeking a level of surrender that would remove many aspects related to self-identification. i don't think this is improper and believe those seeking such will find someone that desires to serve in that manner. in respect to the commentary about the slave being lower or less, i consider myself his subordinate. i am not his equal, i will never be, nor do i wish to be elevated to that status. it upsets the balance of power and creates a vanilla-like relationship which is completely unsuitable for one in my station.

in the end you must accept that you will encounter a variety of ideas. your most important decision is the one you decide to kneel before. those that aren't to your liking shouldn't warrant much aggravation. keep your thoughts centered on "Him" instead. good luck.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 11:02:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elipsis

quote:

They are not making judgments about you, they are making judgments about themselves and their ideas of what "slave" is... to them.


This.

And to be fair there are people out there that want to be treated that way.

There are also people out there that want someone like you... so it's just a matter of realizing that the term "slave" means something different to different people.



Ditto.

To be honest , it doesn't matter to me one iota what other people think of a slave.

They are entitled to think whatever they please and it's not a personal comment directed at YOU just because you are a slave to someone.

I'm neither proud nor ashamed of being owned. It's just a matter of fact and choice. I don't have any self esteem invested in it, or think that I'm imbued with any greater qualities than I had when I wasn't.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 11:12:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

...and then tell people who you want to bottom to you that you totally disrespect them, then don't expect any takers.

Except for a good bit of male-sub/female-Domme dynamics. And dynamics that are heavily based on verbal humiliation. And dynamics based on philosophies that have defined value hierarchies...


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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/27/2009 11:13:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl


I'm neither proud nor ashamed of being owned. It's just a matter of fact and choice. I don't have any self esteem invested in it, or think that I'm imbued with any greater qualities than I had when I wasn't.

50 points. Very prettily written.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 3:30:36 AM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		I'm not proud of being a slave. I'm not low about it either. It's just what I am to Master, nothing more.

I'm all kinds of roles to different people. Doesn't make it special in some way. It just makes it the role I take on at that moment.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 7:20:21 AM   
AquaticSub


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Status: offline 		Because that is how they enjoy using the term slave in their relationships.

My view is that I wouldn't consider using it in my relationships, I would strongly debate someone who was preaching this as The Truth in public forums but that if that is how they want to order their relationships, works for them. There are people who are looking for just that so it should be put on the profile and journal. It's just another way of doing things.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 7:27:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
Except for a good bit of male-sub/female-Domme dynamics. And dynamics that are heavily based on verbal humiliation. And dynamics based on philosophies that have defined value hierarchies...


Nitpicker!

I was not referring to play only relationships. And even the lowly worm types if they ever got into a full relationship would want some appreciation of their service. I don't think any full relationship includes humiliation in every arena. Come back from Thanksgiving at her mother's and tell her how horrible her famous potato dish was? Tell her how ugly and stupid her father is after you've obviously enjoyed playing poker with him?

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 9:32:35 AM   
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Put me down in the "loves strong, confident slaves" category.  In my experience, those who self-identify as slaves have a much different mindset that I vastly prefer to "subs" or "switches."  What you've encountered is someone's personal preference.  While it can be irritating, try to consider it a blessing in disguise.  Chances are good you aren't compatible with the woman on other levels too, so be glad she made it obvious in her profile.  Move on and find someone who appreciates what you have to offer.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 9:44:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		how new is she?  maybe she is too new to realize.. or maybe those who launched her into this life gave her that impression. she did not contact you, correct, so you looked at her and what she wrote was offensive to you. totally understandable i come across those all the time.  when i first "came out", i had issues with all kinds of things i now find silly..  now i know.... hugs best wishes 

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 10:05:39 AM   
gentlewhispers


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Status: offline 		I would like to thank all of you for your input.  It is warm to read others opinions.  I feel I should clarify that I do not look at this one sided.  I very much agree that since there is no rule book or a set of black and white rules and definitions that it is to each his/her own.  I am very confident in who I am in every arena that I enter whether it be on my knees in front of my Master or in a PTA meeting for my children.  I know that I can learn every day and better myself always. 

Porcelaine, I do believe we think on the same level as far as pride is concerned.  I am not proud just of being a slave.  I am proud of who I am, period.  You are exactly right that ego does not have a place there.  I have never cared what others think of me.  My only concerns are that of  my children and mostly my Master.  If I am pleasing to him then I am soaring in the clouds.  I guess I didn't clarify that enough, my apologies.

Sylvere, I would never consider serving some one with that mindset.  I simply decline and wish them the best in their search.

Again, thank you all for your comments.  It has put my mind in the right frame again.  I guess I just got fiffy when I saw that, again, lol.  I have always felt that there is some one for every one.  I know that simply being a slave does not make you compatible to a Master/Domme.  You all have helped put out my little fire and it was a pleasure being able to share. 

  

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 10:51:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: gentlewhispers

Maybe this is more of a rant than a question.  I am not sure how to put it.  I just got done reading a profile of a switch who viewed mine.  I read her journal.  In it she references a slave as being something low.  That if some one was to serve her that it would make them LESS than a slave.  It infuriates me when I see that.  I am a slave.  I am proud of being a slave.  I think it takes great strength...both physical and mental, control, desire, willpower, etc to be a slave.  To be a good slave.  I am not claiming at all to be perfect or to be the top of the food chain.  What bothers me is when people refer to being a slave as a bad thing.  That slaves are dirt.  I totally respect all the responsibilites that a Master takes on with owning.  Why is it that some feel that being a slave is a simple thing?  Why is it that being a slave is not a respectful position?  May some of you share your views on this please?  Am I the only slave who feels proud of being a slave for the obvious reason?  Thank you in advance for you opinions. 

Whatever position you aspire to be, whether slave, sub switch, dominant, You must be able to hold your head high and be proud. All positions are noble and worthy of respect.

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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 3:01:43 PM   
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Having spent time as a slave to another, I know how intense that form of service can be and it isn't fair to you having another saying a slave is less than or a slave is better/worse than X Y or Z. The pride you have in being a slave is your power which makes you be the best you know you can be. What matters is how you feels about yourself and how the one you serve feels about you. All other opinions about you don't mean squat. I don't identify as a slave simply because the amount if dedication and the intensity of service which is required of me, I am unable to give. This makes me no better then a person who is a slave to another and has consented to transfer all their persona, power to another.


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RE: proud to be a slave - 9/28/2009 3:07:32 PM   
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Porcelaine, I do believe we think on the same level as far as pride is concerned.  I am not proud just of being a slave.  I am proud of who I am, period.  You are exactly right that ego does not have a place there.  I have never cared what others think of me.  My only concerns are that of  my children and mostly my Master.  If I am pleasing to him then I am soaring in the clouds.  I guess I didn't clarify that enough, my apologies.


thank you for the clarification. it is my sincerest hope that your path yields all that you seek. may your journey be filled with joy and the company of the One you call Home.

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