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Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 2:19:15 PM   
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I've noticed that it is fairly common to see a submissive represent that they are, or were, "inspired" to submit within their relationship dynamic. Appreciating that many of us dominants are very inspirational, is it wrong to assume that submissives aren't similarly inspirationally endowed?

It got me wondering if there is a similar inspiration occurring on the other side of the flogger.

Does any dominant represent that their dominance was/is "inspired" by their partner?

As a result, would that point to an inherent dominance awakened by the partner, or is it person specific?

Do you, or your partner, have any concern that your dominance could wane over time?

Is the dominance an 'act' or does it flow from the inspiring source?

Lacking the triggering 'inspiration' what do you think would happen if the relationship ended?
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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 2:24:37 PM   
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I think, as an s-type that inspiration is one of the most important things, its like charisma or awe, its that extra zing that you need. There are domineering and indeed dominant people all around all the time but its like incompatibility on the right level, like some people like tomatoes or beans. I do not think te dominant needs to be more inspiring than anyone else they simply have to be inspiring to me, and I found out the hard way without that there is nothing.

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 2:24:56 PM   
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Excellent questions.

Does any dominant represent that their dominance was/is "inspired" by their partner?

No, in the sense I don't think she caused be to be a dominant.  But that works both ways I think, I didn't cause her to be a submissive either.

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As a result, would that point to an inherent dominance awakened by the partner, or is it person specific?


It depends what you mean.  While I am dominant, the specific form of that dominance, and how I dominate her specifically, is entirely individual and stems from us as people.  Without her, the dominance would be there, but not in the same form.

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Do you, or your partner, have any concern that your dominance could wane over time?


No, or at least I hope not!

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[s the dominance an 'act' or does it flow from the inspiring source?


Nearer the latter, but I'd see it as more symbiotic.  Our dominance and submission are interlinked, as opposed to separate forces.

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Lacking the triggering 'inspiration' what do you think would happen if the relationship ended?


I'd get high and behave like a dick to my friends.



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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 2:32:01 PM   
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Can't really explain, but hope you catch my drift.

I believe a girls wanton slavishness can sort of inspire a mans dominance. Kinda like a confidence building thing or.........

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 2:40:00 PM   
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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 2:54:28 PM   
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quote:

I believe a girls wanton slavishness can sort of inspire a mans dominance.


Ron,
What about female inspired dominance?

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 3:13:59 PM   
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I don't think I have ever inspired Master's dominance. It seems he's been pretty dominant all on his own before I met him and when we're not together.

I probably do inspire some of his motivations and creative streaks though. <G>

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 3:19:11 PM   
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I think I kind of have to rein myself in to keep from trying to dominate everyone and everything around me.

Certain people can inspire me to feel protective, sadistic, loving, or to do actively dominant acts(wicked fun BDSM and kinky sexual type things)......more than others.


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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 3:36:22 PM   
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there, LaTigresse.

I used to pull the girls' hair when I was a tiny tot (and get annoyed when the occasional one would follow me around for days afterwards, lol), and I still take charge of people, or push their buttons just to see them squirm, to this day. I don't think I'm less dominant now, single, than I have been even when presented with very submissive partners.

As for inspiring submission, I'm pretty sure that I've brought out the latent submissive in every 'vanilla' girlfriend I ever had; except that Irish hellcat who just wouldn't stop fighting it....


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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 3:39:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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I believe a girls wanton slavishness can sort of inspire a mans dominance.


Ron,
What about female inspired dominance?


possibly, but I cannot speak to that, you see; I am incompetent in that area.

Ron

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 3:40:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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not the nasal whine..............

other than that, you get the 'special' candy.

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 3:50:18 PM   
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Does any dominant represent that their dominance was/is "inspired" by their partner?
I've alwys been me... but my dominant qualities have certainly been brought to a much sharper focus withn the context of my relationship as a result of Carol. We are exploring together in a yin-yang sort of way.

As a result, would that point to an inherent dominance awakened by the partner, or is it person specific?
In me, it's general in nature. I simply hadn't thought of applying it to my marriage.

Do you, or your partner, have any concern that your dominance could wane over time?
No. For starters it's not all that likely. Secondly, if that happened it would just mark the beginning of some new and I'm sure wonderul part of our marriage.

Is the dominance an 'act' or does it flow from the inspiring source?
Huh?

Lacking the triggering 'inspiration' what do you think would happen if the relationship ended?
I would still be me, but single. I'd behave no differently than I did before the collar. How I behaved when I met some new woman would depend largely on that woman. I'm not committed to M/s relationships just becuase this one happens to be working out well.


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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 4:07:04 PM   
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I am a dominant personality, and that leader behaviour doesn't go away if there is "no one to lead."    I am who I am, as the saying goes.  But, I also say that I am not EVERYONE'S dominant---in the scene universe, I am not motivated to dom just anyone who comes down the pike. 

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 5:03:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
I am a dominant personality, and that leader behaviour doesn't go away if there is "no one to lead."    I am who I am, as the saying goes.  But, I also say that I am not EVERYONE'S dominant---in the scene universe, I am not motivated to dom just anyone who comes down the pike. 


I think this sums it up pretty well for most people. Basic Relationships 101 type of stuff.


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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 7:02:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

It got me wondering if there is a similar inspiration occurring on the other side of the flogger.



I once asked Sir, if he catches the energy I throw up into the air when he walks through the door. He said he does.

I gather from that conversation, and the way he has incorporated ideas I've presented to him in what we do; inspiration flows both ways; however, I would not say his is the same as mine.

From my perspective, the difference is comparable to that of a live wire and a ground wire.

My excitement becomes passion, designating me as the live wire; while, his direction and desire make him the ground.

He has stopped being a ground, a couple of times; when ‘life’ had become too overwhelming for him.

It caused a back up of passion within me, which eventually, turns toxic; so that I have had to cut ties, or drown in it. When he was able to rebalance himself, we were able to continue together.

I’ve come to the conclusion, after three years of knowing him, the relationship will never end; only the rate of growth within it changes.

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 7:44:37 PM   
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I'm a switch, and am pretty neutral to most people in terms of D/s. My personality isn't strongly dominant or submissive in vanilla terms, either. I take charge if nobody else is, or if I'm designated as the responsible person, and have no problem with complying with directions at work or when volunteering/etc. Most of my relationships have been egalitarian kinky, leaning a little bit dominant, especially in the bedroom/dungeon. Some people react to the things I do in a way that makes me feel fiercely possessive and very much in control. It's hard to pin it down into words - the way the look at me, the tone of voice they use, that little *growl* as they struggle to absorb pain, is just wonderful. Other people push my submissive buttons, and make me feel yielded to their will. Back when I was looking, a lot of guys didn't really understand that for me, D/s is a reaction/interaction.

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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 8:46:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I've noticed that it is fairly common to see a submissive represent that they are, or were, "inspired" to submit within their relationship dynamic. Appreciating that many of us dominants are very inspirational, is it wrong to assume that submissives aren't similarly inspirationally endowed?

It got me wondering if there is a similar inspiration occurring on the other side of the flogger.




It's funny you should ask this - I just posted something in my journal a day or so ago about how I realized I was dominant. I'll cut & paste it here - sorry for the length:


In the short time I've been on this site, I've been asked a number of times how did I realize I was dominant - I've even been asked this by a couple of doms. I suppose it's a fair question. For those of you trying to figure things out for yourself, I don't know if my experiences are going to help you but for your edification, I'll simply post the story here so as to spare myself the need to repeat it going forward.
 
Quite some time ago, I was at this get together (party would be too strong a word) at someone's house - I hadn't met many of the people there, it was a sort of a friend of a friend deal - but I'm usually up for meeting new people and I did know a number of people there peripherally and it's always good to be able to put a face or a voice to a name.
 
So I met this one woman, she was maybe 5' 3', pale, and had really long really red hair and damn but I wanted her. I wanted her like there was no tomorrow. I'm not talking chemistry - that sort of electric pop when you meet someone and just know that you have a physical and emotional connection, or love in that 'Sweet Mystery Of Life At Last I've Found You' sort of way - I'm talking lust. Straight out, pulse racing, bang-her-off-the-wall lust.
 
I couldn't figure out why. Pale or not pale doesn't matter to me and I don't really care about hair-color. She wasn't bad looking but she wasn't drop-dead gorgeous either. I couldn't figure it out but whatever she had was working for me.
 
So we exchange e-mail addresses and we're chatting online for the next couple of days until we're both free and can get together and I'm trying to work what about her I find so riveting. Maybe she moves like my first girlfriend? No. Is there something about her expressions that reminds me of someone? No.
 
I can't claim that we went on a date, we just sort of hung out and eventually we ended up at my place. It was a Saturday afternoon and I was in the kitchen getting some drinks and she walked in to ask me something and I just turned and kissed her right there.
 
Well.
 
We left a trail of clothes to the bedroom. It was exciting. It was fun. It was everything I'd hoped for ... and afterwards ... she just kind of laid there giggling and twitching uncontrollably for seven or eight minutes. When she recovered I was like 'I've never seen anything like that before. Does that happen all the time?' and she looked at me and said 'No. It's never been like that.'
 
My ego probably grew three sizes right there.
 
So, obviously we spent a *lot* of time together and we had a lot of sex. I would always initiate and whatever I wanted to do, she would do. And we'd talk about what we were into. Things she was interested in trying, things I wanted to do that I'd never done before, things she was fascinated with but was afraid of ... and sooner or later, we'd do them. And she'd always end up giggling and twitching afterwards.
 
This isn't to say we didn't go to movies or shows or take trips or do, y'know, real life stuff as well. We did. We just also spent a lot of time having a lot of sex.
 
So one weekend we're in bed, and I told her to do something and she looked at me and said 'I really like it when you tell me what to do' and BAM ... it all came together. It clicked. I could feel the pieces slide together in the back of my head. It's like I could feel the world spin around me as everything oriented itself.
 
We were in a D/s relationship and I was the Dom and she was the sub. In retrospect, it was blatantly obvious. I came up with the ideas, I decided what we would do, I made the plans, picked the movies, etc. etc. and she enjoyed making them happen. She wanted me to tell her to do stuff and she felt good when she did it. And I liked it. At some low level I'd seen it in her and she'd seen it in me when we met and we just went with it.
 
Beyond that, well, once the light comes on - you can't turn it back off. You like what you like and you get off on what you get off on and you look for those things. If you've been there, you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't - I can't tell you what you can do to trigger that moment. All I can really say is that sooner or later it will come to you. You can't force it and while you can fight it (and I have known some people who have), I don't think that's healthy in the long run.

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Does any dominant represent that their dominance was/is "inspired" by their partner?


I think it was her submissiveness that I reacted to. Later in life, I've had similar reactions (if not as strong) with certain other submissives. Could I have come to the realization that I was dominant in some other way or with some other submissive? Yeah, probably. Would the experience have been effectively identical - highly doubtful.

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As a result, would that point to an inherent dominance awakened by the partner, or is it person specific?



It was inherent. I just wasn't consciously aware of it. My dominance was not specific to her. My reaction to her was and our relationship was unique - but then again, I feel all relationships are unique.

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Do you, or your partner, have any concern that your dominance could wane over time?


Back when we were together, it never occurred to either of us. In fact - it's never really occurred to me until you mentioned it. I have considered the fact there might potentially be some 'awakening' or 'awareness', something like satori, that could change a person so fundamentally that such things as dominance or submission would be lost. "Lost" isn't the word I'm looking for. Shed. Shed as one's personality expands to a higher level. There. That says it better.

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Is the dominance an 'act' or does it flow from the inspiring source?


It's not an 'act'. It's part of the way I am. It doesn't flow from the inspiring source either. It's part of the way I perceive and interact with the world. I don't think I could turn it off. I would suppose that the dominance is a reaction to certain events or stimuli in the environment around me. I don't particualrly feel the need to dominate everywhere and everyone and everything. There are situations where I dominate, there are situation where I don't care enough to even consider it, and there are situation where I don't. Many of them aren't sexual or have anything to do with sex or attraction. I think what made the initial reaction so powerful was the interaction of both the dominance and the attraction - they kind of resonated with each other which made the experience much more powerful.

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Lacking the triggering 'inspiration' what do you think would happen if the relationship ended?


When things ended, life went on. Eventually, I met another sub whom I was attracted to and who was attracted to me and we started a new relationship.

Other people's experiences may vary. I think everyone is different. I don't believe that there's a single or a preferred way to become or to be dominant or submissive. It is what it is. You are who you are.

Wow - my forum posts just keep getting bigger and bigger. I need to learn to be more concise.


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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 9:28:17 PM   
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Cool thread, Merc.  :> 

As a creative person, my initial reaction to the word 'inspiration' was: artistically, that feels like something coming from outside of me, accessing parts of me, flowing through me, and I am the tool and the guide for the results.  I regard certain creativity with quite a lot of reverence. 

So, too, do I regard the interactions of others, when they are synergistic, when I glean the beauty with reverence.  However, when I think on my own D/s inclinations and the way I process 'inspiration', I would initially say "no" because D/s stuff, for me, is endogenous where-as 'inspiration' is exogenous. 

Then, I went a little further with the thoughts: 

Appreciating that many of us dominants are very inspirational, is it wrong to assume that submissives aren't similarly inspirationally endowed?
****I do believe that people can inspire one another and create more than the sum of the separate parts.  Huge believeer in that. 

It got me wondering if there is a similar inspiration occurring on the other side of the flogger.
****If what I said above is true, imo, yes. 

Does any dominant represent that their dominance was/is "inspired" by their partner?
****Speaking very personally to this, prior to my first actual D/s relationship, I would have told you that I was submissive entirely.  Switch, nope.  Yeah, well, given the correct partner, I am defnitely Dominant.  Then again, I swear far less allegiance to the terminology of bdsm than do some: the bond, the synergy is what 'does it' for me. 

As a result, would that point to an inherent dominance awakened by the partner, or is it person specific?
****For me, it was a specific person that awakened it in a relational context, though throughout my personality there are many Dominant traits (Which I'll also say to you that I could see as submissive traits in some instances). 

Do you, or your partner, have any concern that your dominance could wane over time?
****No, again, I value fluidity and have tended to partner most closely with others who have a certain sense of fluidity (In general, there are noteworthy exceptions but when they have happened, their lack of fluidity is a source of dissonance). 

Is the dominance an 'act' or does it flow from the inspiring source?
****Initially, I would have said endogenous but now I am going with both: endogenous and exogenous.  

Lacking the triggering 'inspiration' what do you think would happen if the relationship ended?
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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/27/2009 9:38:52 PM   
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I think what you are speaking of is the tendency to rename compatibility (and the benefits wrought from it) with inspiration.

For instance, I've started playing around with certain rudimentary steps into ropework and shibari, which I'd wanted to do for some time but hadn't. Now being the keeper of someone who is fond of rope didn't necessarily "inspire" me, but it did motivate an already present interest. This was made possible through a specific compatibility.

Other instances of "inspiration" are just representations of the degree of emotional investment one has placed into a partner/relationship and how that corresponds to how flexible one is willing to be in their dynamic (e.g. daring to take a relationship to a near TPE level where you hadn't previously because of how comfortable and magical you feel with this new partner).


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RE: Inspiration Question - 8/28/2009 6:05:05 AM   
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I think that a particular -expression- of dominance and submission can be inspired... for example, I've always been a 'bossy female' -- it's just who I am. However, it took me some time and some awareness of the possibility to think about maybe bringing such a thing -consciously- into my relationships. It would never have occurred to me with my ex-husband, for example, to come right out and say "I am the authority in our household, and I will expect that you will do what you are supposed to do, and make the decisions you need to make to keep things straight--and if you -won't- make the decisions, I will make them for you and you may not like the results, but you -won't- bitch about it." See, that was how our marriage ran, but I would never have -said- it. He knew it and I knew it, but it was never overt... and because it wasn't overt, there were issues, because when he slipped off track, I couldn't just come in and say "Hey. We talked about this. Stop whining about it and just do what I told you to do."

Since then, I'm -still- a bossy female, but I've been fortunate to be able to be around people with whom I -can- say "Ok, I'm in charge here, and this is how things are going to run." In being able to be above-board about it, they haven't necessarily inspired my dominion... but they HAVE inspired my interest and action in being in relationships where I can -be- that forthright about how things are going to go. I've become addicted, I think, to functional, forthright relationships, and that -has- been inspired by the presence and honestly of some amazing submissive-type individuals.

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