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Prinsexx -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 8:36:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

So you have a Lickert type scale on 24/7?
Can I add one more point to make it a five point scale?
Impossible - improbable - possible - probable - actual


I'd prefer "active" to describe the effective existing status of the result. And, it's kind of separate from the others because it's the status of being in a relationship rather than qualifying and describing the likelihood of a hypothetical one...but I supposed that's the eventual goal.


Maybe I'm supposed to save this for private mail but just wanted to say publicly that I think you are a clever thinker and I respect the way you express complex ideas.




NihilusZero -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 8:43:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Maybe I'm supposed to save this for private mail but just wanted to say publicly that I think you are a clever thinker and I respect the way you express complex ideas.

[:)]

Either publicly or privately, that's very sweet. Thank you!




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 9:11:45 AM)

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Have you had your view of 24/7 change over time?


No, not really. To me, 24/7 has -always- pretty much meant what it still means... each and every day, round the clock, this -is- what it -is-... everything... vacations, sickness, parties, crises... all of those are -incorporate- of that existence.

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Have you an ideal of what you would like 24/7 to be which is not borne out in reality as yet?


I think because of the way I see 24/7, there is no 'ideal'. It just -is- what it -is-. Either there is a full commitment, or there isn't. Either we're full-time, or we're part-time. Presence, absence, circumstance... 24/7 puts the relationship as one of the key priorities regardless of situational state. Non-24/7 may put situational states ahead of the relationship. Simple, comprehensive, and functional.

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Have you an ideal of 24/7 which has been shattered by an experience in reality?


No. We've had people who thought they could make a full-on commitment to our household and later discovered that they -couldn't-, but it wasn't a shattering experience for any of us. We always -knew- that, in any venture, there is the possibility that it won't work spot-on. We enjoyed taking the chance. It wasn't devastating because we understood that, though the -goal- was an absolute, the journey was more of an -immersion-... so if one found that one couldn't get one's head wet after all, it was perfectly fine to stop at the neck (or at the ankles, if that was as far as one could reasonably go).

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Is 24/7 a fantasy lifestyle for you?


No, it's just one possible option for us, on a continuum. Of course, it is -desirable-, but if we don't happen, at the moment, to have a person who is situationally capable of putting the Household in that all-encompassing space in hir life, having people in up to their ankles, knees, waist, chest, or neck works, too -- it just requires a little more coordination to make sure that all the proper bases are covered. (for those who wonder and who have been following my thoughts on the TPE thread, we don't do 'comprehensive authority dynamics with people who -aren't- set up for full-on involvement, as we believe it is an exercise in futility when they've already said that their priorities will be divided).

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Has 24/7 submission been an expectation of you that you were unable to carry out?


As some of you know, I came up through the ranks to earn my crop. One of the requirements was that I make a full-on commitment to the House. Honestly, I can't imagine -not- having gone that direction, so I'm glad that I did.

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Has 24/7 domination been an assumption toy have made that was a possibility which was never or difficult to obtain?


I'm not sure what you're asking here, exactly. Over the years we've had some individuals who claimed to want to have that full-on involvement with us, but who clearly had other areas of their lives that couldn't be incorporated or that they clearly didn't -want- to incorporate, but they didn't tell us until -after- we began the consideration process, so that was a little messy, but, like I said earlier, the proof really -is- in the pudding for me... and it is really individualized, so if someone finds that incorporating hirself into a situation where the House becomes hir key priority around which everything else in hir life is organized is too much, then xhe doesn't have to go that far -- it is possible to serve without full immersion, if that's where you need to be, and I'd rather have someone fully engaged 10% of the time without access to that other 90% of hir time, than someone who is always around, but -never- fully engaged.

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Are the reality and fantasy of 24/7 congruent and one and the same thing?


I think that what your asking is "are there times when what we -expect- from a relationship just isn't -feasible- under the circumstances?" And yes... there are those times. I think it's problematic, though, at least for me, to think about 24/7 in terms of 'fantasy' and 'reality'. I think it is -very- possible for hopes and reality to incline together, but I also think that everyone involved has to be vested in the process. In this, it really isn't any different than any other kind of relationship, mainstream or otherwise, whether it be a marriage or a job. There is always the "I hope it's going to be like -this-." and the "Gee, so -this- is really what they were talking about."... and the more people are vested in making it work, and the better they communicate, the closer those two ends of the spectrum become.

Dame Calla




leadership527 -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 9:14:57 AM)

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NZ Said:
I have recently decided to discard the notion of "fantasy" altogether. There is no "fantasy 24/7" or "fantasy BDSM"; there is either: impossible, improbable, possible or probable. Which one of those applies is a matter of the self-awareness and competent assessment of elements by the parties involved in the potential goal.

Personally, I think that's very wise. I think the word "fantasy" is used in BDSM circles a lot like the phrase "Virtual reality" was used in IT circles... and it's pernicious for how it shapes thinking. For me, I look and see that I have a partner who pretty much actually will do anything. So then what does "fantasy" mean? As near as I can figure it out, that word for me translates to "stuff I haven't gotten around to yet". And even then, it's kind of trivial stuff seeing as if whatever it was really sparked my imagination, I'd probably have done it.

If you take it more along the lines of "fantastical" rather than fantasy, it still is worthless. This actually applies to your second part NZ. I'm actually a little lost about the "impossible" part of what you want. Everything I know about you tells me that this is unlikely. But really, when you get down to it, isn't the essence of being a dom the ability to shape the world around you? So if you're a dom and you want something, isn't that pretty much a matter of making it happen? I have to admit, I move through the world feeling a lot like Neo in the sense that I really do believe I can change things to suit my needs at the moment. Sure, sometimes effecting those changes takes time & effort but in general I see the world as mine to shape. Does that whole part go back to the threads from a while ago about whether we should be flexible and "settle" (as the detractors conceptualized it) or "hold firm for what we want"?

And insofar as the points... it wasn't my fault dude. Did you SEE some of those posts I gave away points for? They DESERVED them.




Jeptha -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 9:30:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: agirl

24/7 simply means *all of the time* to me. I don't have any ideas about how it's arranged in practical terms at all. ...


I think there is a legitimate distinction to be made between time and ... what...space, I guess?

What I mean is, I've been in relationships where my sub was my personal property at any time of the day or night , but only within certain spheres, and that being mostly the sphere of erotic activity and things associated with it, either primarily or secondarily or so forth.

So , in that sense, it was "24/7", but only within certain contexts. I didn't seek to control her personal or professional life. I wasn't looking for her to perform services for me because we maintained our independent households. Thus, if I have my sub do my dishes, who is doing the subs dishes? That's one of those boy scout ethical things that stuck with me as a kid - to do your own work.

Anyway, that aside, I think I see some (many?) relationships working like this. The relationship dynamic is in effect 24/7, but that concept doesn't explain to what areas of life the relationship dynamic extends - in fact, I don't believe that it refers to that at all.

Perhaps I am in error in my interpretation, tho, as others seem to view this as meaning more than I do when I read it.




Prinsexx -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 10:22:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeptha

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ORIGINAL: agirl

24/7 simply means *all of the time* to me. I don't have any ideas about how it's arranged in practical terms at all. ...


I think there is a legitimate distinction to be made between time and ... what...space, I guess?

What I mean is, I've been in relationships where my sub was my personal property at any time of the day or night , but only within certain spheres, and that being mostly the sphere of erotic activity and things associated with it, either primarily or secondarily or so forth.

So , in that sense, it was "24/7", but only within certain contexts. I didn't seek to control her personal or professional life. I wasn't looking for her to perform services for me because we maintained our independent households. Thus, if I have my sub do my dishes, who is doing the subs dishes? That's one of those boy scout ethical things that stuck with me as a kid - to do your own work.

Anyway, that aside, I think I see some (many?) relationships working like this. The relationship dynamic is in effect 24/7, but that concept doesn't explain to what areas of life the relationship dynamic extends - in fact, I don't believe that it refers to that at all.

Perhaps I am in error in my interpretation, tho, as others seem to view this as meaning more than I do when I read it.


I agree and have always taken 24/7 to mean temporal and not spatial (as in shacking up together). Although I know that many think of 24/7 as living together.
Now if we are going to get into a debate about the relationship between time and space that's an altogether different story and one for which I will beg for mega points....




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