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Prinsexx -> Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 6:57:09 PM)
This is not meant o be a thread about what is 24/7. Like most definitions, (although a dictionary definition does eist), the meaning of 24/7 is highly subjective. What I am interested in is: Have you had your view of 24/7 change over time? Have you an ideal of what you would like 24/7 to be which is not borne out in reality as yet? Have you an ideal of 24/7 which has been shattered by an experience in reality? Is 24/7 a fantasy lifestyle for you? Has 24/7 submission been an expectation of you that you were unable to carry out? Has 24/7 domination been an assumption toy have made that was a possibility which was never or difficult to obtain? Are the reality and fantasy of 24/7 congruent and one and the same thing? All or some answers would really help me figure out of certain expectations of me have been realsitic or not.........

CelticPrince -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 7:09:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx This is not meant o be a thread about what is 24/7. Like most definitions, (although a dictionary definition does eist), the meaning of 24/7 is highly subjective. What I am interested in is: Have you had your view of 24/7 change over time? Have you an ideal of what you would like 24/7 to be which is not borne out in reality as yet? Have you an ideal of 24/7 which has been shattered by an experience in reality? Is 24/7 a fantasy lifestyle for you? Has 24/7 submission been an expectation of you that you were unable to carry out? Has 24/7 domination been an assumption toy have made that was a possibility which was never or difficult to obtain? Are the reality and fantasy of 24/7 congruent and one and the same thing? All or some answers would really help me figure out of certain expectations of me have been realsitic or not......... Prin, A good thread for folks to consider. For myself I had a 24/7 for 5 years and I found it as it should be. Primarely because she figured me out and my needs and she handled them without me really recognizing that she was doing so. Sadly because of circumstances beyound her control it can to an end! CP quote: This is not meant o be a thread about what is 24/7. Like most definitions, (although a dictionary definition does eist), the meaning of 24/7 is highly subjective. What I am interested in is: Have you had your view of 24/7 change over time? Have you an ideal of what you would like 24/7 to be which is not borne out in reality as yet? Have you an ideal of 24/7 which has been shattered by an experience in reality? Is 24/7 a fantasy lifestyle for you? Has 24/7 submission been an expectation of you that you were unable to carry out? Has 24/7 domination been an assumption toy have made that was a possibility which was never or difficult to obtain? Are the reality and fantasy of 24/7 congruent and one and the same thing? All or some answers would really help me figure out of certain expectations of me have been realsitic or not......... _____________________________

velvetears -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 7:24:50 PM)
my views have changed over time as to what this means - at least to me. i used to think of 24/7 in terms of 2 people trying to live an impossibly difficult dynamic to the point of exhaustion. my idea now is someone bonded to another person that no matter where they are, what they are doing, who they are with, that person is in their heart and mind 24/7. In a nut shell.

Prinsexx -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 7:30:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears my views have changed over time as to what this means - at least to me. i used to think of 24/7 in terms of 2 people trying to live an impossibly difficult dynamic to the point of exhaustion. my idea now is someone bonded to another person that no matter where they are, what they are doing, who they are with, that person is in their heart and mind 24/7. In a nut shell. For personal reasons I'm close to tears reading this. I agree by the way. Absolutely I agree. And I have made a similar journey. I only wish it had been reciprocated.

JonnieBoy -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 8:32:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears my views have changed over time as to what this means - at least to me. i used to think of 24/7 in terms of 2 people trying to live an impossibly difficult dynamic to the point of exhaustion. my idea now is someone bonded to another person that no matter where they are, what they are doing, who they are with, that person is in their heart and mind 24/7. In a nut shell. How very well expressed. In a nut shell. Pirate

leadership527 -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 8:41:12 PM)
No to all of the above. For me, at least, this is all much more driven by pragmatics than any sort of kink or BDSM fantasy. I'm just leading our marriage and it's working out pretty well... about as well as I had anticipated actually.

DavanKael -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 8:46:26 PM)
I'm not currently married but, I have to say that I agree strongly with the sentiments Jeff expressed about trying to function pragmatically within a relationship, to that I will also add agreement with the very end of velvetears' statement: someone bonded to another person that no matter where they are, what they are doing, who they are with, that person is in their heart and mind 24/7. Davan (Where did all of your points go, Jeff?!)

peppermint -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 9:24:15 PM)
We have lived 24/7 for nearly 4 years now. No, my views of what it entails have not changed. We actually found it easier than either one of us expected to settle in together. The ease might be because of our ages. I was 54 and he was 64 at the time we started. We both have health issues that mean we both try to live each and every day to the fullest because no one knows how long we have together. I do think the real secret of why we fit together so well is that neither depends on the other for happiness. We both generate our own happiness from within ourselves and share it with the other. My answers to your questions would be a resounding NO.

mc1234 -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 10:07:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears my views have changed over time as to what this means - at least to me. i used to think of 24/7 in terms of 2 people trying to live an impossibly difficult dynamic to the point of exhaustion. my idea now is someone bonded to another person that no matter where they are, what they are doing, who they are with, that person is in their heart and mind 24/7. In a nut shell. Yes, this, exactly. Thank you for your eloquence! I would also add for my definition - the power exchange between us is firmly in effect 24/7 also, which simply means that if he wishes, he asks ... and I do as he wishes. There is much peace and security in knowing we're there for one another at all times, even though other duties intrude at times.

NihilusZero -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 11:16:40 PM)
I have recently decided to discard the notion of "fantasy" altogether. There is no "fantasy 24/7" or "fantasy BDSM"; there is either: impossible, improbable, possible or probable. Which one of those applies is a matter of the self-awareness and competent assessment of elements by the parties involved in the potential goal. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx Have you had your view of 24/7 change over time? Yes. I'm sure most people have just in the evolution of their exposure to WIITWD and also in their personal introspective evolution. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx Have you an ideal of what you would like 24/7 to be which is not borne out in reality as yet? This is an odd phrasing. My concept is not "unreal" in the sense that it is humanly possible (with the right person, under the right conditions). It isn't "real" as far as being completely in effect at this very moment, however. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx Have you an ideal of 24/7 which has been shattered by an experience in reality? Yes. And no. The experience happened in "reality" (as everything does) but the mistakes were wrought from either my own errors in quality of execution or in applying the attempt to seek the experience in an environment not suited to it. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx Is 24/7 a fantasy lifestyle for you? No. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx Has 24/7 submission been an expectation of you that you were unable to carry out? I'm not on that side of the kneel. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx Has 24/7 domination been an assumption toy have made that was a possibility which was never or difficult to obtain? Not in a degree necessarily more or less than any other equally complex contruct of expectations I would have for a partner. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx Are the reality and fantasy of 24/7 congruent and one and the same thing? The only criterion that people use to define whether X is one or the other is partnership success. You are essentially asking if successful relationships and unsuccessful relationships are the same thing. My short answer, again though, is: there is no "fantasy".

NihilusZero -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 11:19:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears my views have changed over time as to what this means - at least to me. i used to think of 24/7 in terms of 2 people trying to live an impossibly difficult dynamic to the point of exhaustion. my idea now is someone bonded to another person that no matter where they are, what they are doing, who they are with, that person is in their heart and mind 24/7. In a nut shell. This is nicely put, yes...but essentially either a tautological affirmation for people whose dynamic ideal is that anyway or it's a more easily swallowed consolation prize for people who do want the more "difficult dynamic" but are told it is fantastical because of its likelihood.

NihilusZero -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 11:22:24 PM)
sigh I now need to come up with a new variation of currency just for you, dude. quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 Current Point Total: 00 NZ points 100 non-transferable points to replenish the balance you originally had prior to giving them away.

DavanKael -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (7/31/2009 11:51:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero sigh I now need to come up with a new variation of currency just for you, dude. quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 Current Point Total: 00 NZ points 100 non-transferable points to replenish the balance you originally had prior to giving them away. I have offered our generous friend some of my points as well so that he may gift them as he desires. He has yet to let me know if he accepts said gifting of points but I shall dutifully upkeep my numbers should he accept. ;> Davan

Prinsexx -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 2:24:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero I have recently decided to discard the notion of "fantasy" altogether. There is no "fantasy 24/7" or "fantasy BDSM"; there is either: impossible, improbable, possible or probable. Which one of those applies is a matter of the self-awareness and competent assessment of elements by the parties involved in the potential goal. So you have a Lickert type scale on 24/7? Can I add one more point to make it a five point scale? Impossible - improbable - possible - probable - actual

agirl -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 2:58:22 AM)
24/7 simply means all of the time to me. I don't have any ideas about how it's arranged in practical terms at all. I'm owned "all of the time" although I don't obey "all of the time"....I'm not submissive "all of the time" but I defer to him, eventually, "all of the time". There never was any promise made from me to become "submissive all of the time" nor any expectation that I would, but I became owned "all of the time" all the same. When I became his property I knew that it was "all of the time", not just now and then, not just when I felt like it, not just when the going was good and not just when he was present. I knew I'd have to answer to him, that he'd be probing, pushing, asking, involved, interested, consistant and challenging. I didn't really think much further than that as that seemed to be all I needed to know. agirl

Prinsexx -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 4:15:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl 24/7 simply means all of the time to me. I don't have any ideas about how it's arranged in practical terms at all. I'm owned "all of the time" although I don't obey "all of the time"....I'm not submissive "all of the time" but I defer to him, eventually, "all of the time". There never was any promise made from me to become "submissive all of the time" nor any expectation that I would, but I became owned "all of the time" all the same. When I became his property I knew that it was "all of the time", not just now and then, not just when I felt like it, not just when the going was good and not just when he was present. I knew I'd have to answer to him, that he'd be probing, pushing, asking, involved, interested, consistant and challenging. I didn't really think much further than that as that seemed to be all I needed to know. agirl. I love you...you must know I do.....

kallisto -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 5:11:47 AM)
CP said "Primarely because she figured me out and my needs and she handled them without me really recognizing that she was doing so." velvetears said " someone bonded to another person that no matter where they are, what they are doing, who they are with, that person is in their heart and mind 24/7. For me, CP and velvetears summed it up quite nicely. [:)]

stella41b -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 5:48:40 AM)
24/7 = absolute commitment

CaringandReal -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 5:54:39 AM)
These are unusual questions. I'll answer inside the quotes. I hope it helps but I don't know if the answers will tell you anything in particular. quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx This is not meant o be a thread about what is 24/7. Like most definitions, (although a dictionary definition does eist), the meaning of 24/7 is highly subjective. What I am interested in is: Have you had your view of 24/7 change over time? Just the superficial aspects. Not my core perception of its reality. Have you an ideal of what you would like 24/7 to be which is not borne out in reality as yet? No. Have you an ideal of 24/7 which has been shattered by an experience in reality? No. But I think that is largely due to luck. Is 24/7 a fantasy lifestyle for you? No. Has 24/7 submission been an expectation of you that you were unable to carry out? No. Has 24/7 domination been an assumption toy have made that was a possibility which was never or difficult to obtain? I am not sure what this question means. If you mean, did I ever assume that a master/slave relationship was impossible to obtain, the answer is yes, I did at one time when I was inexperienced and thought this sort of thing only existed in fiction books. As soon as I figured out that real people actually did this that assumption changed. I do think it is difficult to obtain. I've been ownerless for the last six years. Just haven't met the right person. It only takes one, though. :) Are the reality and fantasy of 24/7 congruent and one and the same thing? In terms of the details and superficial aspects? No. In terms of the essence? They are the same for me. All or some answers would really help me figure out of certain expectations of me have been realsitic or not.........

NihilusZero -> RE: Fantasy 24/7 (8/1/2009 7:41:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx So you have a Lickert type scale on 24/7? Can I add one more point to make it a five point scale? Impossible - improbable - possible - probable - actual I'd prefer "active" to describe the effective existing status of the result. And, it's kind of separate from the others because it's the status of being in a relationship rather than qualifying and describing the likelihood of a hypothetical one...but I supposed that's the eventual goal.

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