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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 5:46:45 AM   
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Why would they? What do you bring to the equation that would make someone see you as a "Master"?
Damn Cat...he paid the phone bill!




  oh silly lil ole Me!

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 6:00:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can't. You already showed your true colors by demanding she send you naked pics in exchange for your help. Nobody who would do that has what it takes to inspire someone to submit. You removed her dignity and self respect by so doing. Think she'll ever forget it and be able to think better of you?

You could have offered her money in exchange for weekly housekeeping and such. That would have been honest work which would have inspired gratitude. A much better emotion to start from.

What you don't understand, op, is that it isn't your opinion of strippers that matters here - it's hers. And you can't change that.

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 6:12:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The situation you are suggesting  sounds more like you might beable to play sex games with someone that understands that you will perform for me ..i.e, your my slave  and I will play Master.  You can 't really force someone  to really be something that they are not programed to be naturally unless they want to change their mind set. I think that goes into why so many out here really focus in their profiles on finding a "slave " and not a "sub" because they simply are seeking a differnt type of relationships with others..

Your situation really does not sound like at this time you may have either a "sub " or a "slave " to explore the type of relationship you are seeking .

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 6:27:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lets see   ....   you pay someone for a service   .... erotic, i am guessing    ...   so that makes your "friend" a pros....   i mean - stripper.

Now you want her to escalate that response to money. Sounds easy enough - as with any pros... i mean - stripper, you negotiate with them, with all terms up front. Of course, your mastery of her will be wholey contingent on her receiving her payment, so really why don't you just go to a pro that knows the routine. Much easier than trying to blackmail/manipulate someone into being your slave for hire.

And you might remember - you get what you pay for!


One more thing - you can't "make" someone a slave . They either are, or they aren't.  You can make someone act like one, but that still doesn't make them one.  edited to add.

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 6:55:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP - Amazing! You stumbled across the secret cornerstone of every Master/slave relationship we've encountered, including our own - cell phone service!

Yup - six years ago it was that first trip together to the AT&T store that convinced beth to by my slave. Our relationship started with setting her up on my speed dial, then the first name on the speed dial list. Finally a special unique 'ring-tone'; sort of a 'ring-tone of consideration'. Then many carry over minutes and text messages later, she was convinced that she was ready to be a slave.

There is a lot of talk about the legendary 'Old Guard' and other secret lifestyle groups that have secret hand shakes, or wear special secret decoder rings to identify themselves to other members. Personally, I've never met any of those. However, all 'real & true' Masters and slaves I have met - ALL have cell phones. Coincidence? I think NOT!

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 6:56:37 AM   
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How do you go about making the naturally switch person, become your personal slave?

You cannot "make" a person do something like this. Any "tricks" you try to do, inevitably, are just that... tricks. The end result of such things can only be more tricks. In the end, that process leads to pretend masters and pretend slaves. What you CAN do offer someone a vision of what it means to be your slave. If you can craft that vision in such a way that it is appealing to the person in question, then they will be incented to take the first step. That first step, of course, can be parlayed into further steps. How far any of that goes is going to be largely dependent on skills and inclinations of both the leader and follower.

Money won't work as a tool. In my own head, I think of it like this... The value of a human is (or ought to be) more than any amount of money. So money is not going to be the currency in which you can purchase a consensual slave. So you have to go back to the drawing boards and consider what other kinds of currency might work for this particular person. It's a coin of the realm problem. You have to figure out what sort of coinage works for the specific person you're thinking of.


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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 6:58:35 AM   
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you can't "make" someone a slave . They either are, or they aren't. You can make someone act like one, but that still doesn't make them one.


While I do TOTALLY agree with this, I would add that someone may have the potential inside to become a slave, but are not YET. That after all, is one of the purposes of training. All the training in the world won't turn someone into a slave who does not have it in them, but you really can't tell who has it in them until you try. (That said, I will also add that my idea of training is not tie someone up and whip them and etc. etc. that one usually sees, but stuff based on scientific training techniques that use reinforcement to gradually get people (or animals) to learn the specific behavior being taught. For example, see the techniques used by ABA professionals or by professional clicker trainers).

Also, my idea of enslaved is not to be enslaved by agreement to be a slave, but by compulsion to serve a person... a person who understands one so completely that they are capable of mastering the other person so that the other person needs to serve them more than they need freedom.

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 7:04:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let's see. Here is a valuable lesson. If I could not pay my phone bill, and this caring Dom. offers to pay it, providing I give them all naked pics of me, I would go without a phone, until I could  pay it. He would never had the opportunity to convince me to be his slave. I find no caring in this type of Dom.

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 7:23:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		sounds more like she just became a pro submissive. it would all be fake. her "slavery", or his, would last long enough to a) find more money, or b) find someone else with money.


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

OP - Amazing! You stumbled across the secret cornerstone of every Master/slave relationship we've encountered, including our own - cell phone service!

Yup - six years ago it was that first trip together to the AT&T store that convinced beth to by my slave. Our relationship started with setting her up on my speed dial, then the first name on the speed dial list. Finally a special unique 'ring-tone'; sort of a 'ring-tone of consideration'. Then many carry over minutes and text messages later, she was convinced that she was ready to be a slave.

There is a lot of talk about the legendary 'Old Guard' and other secret lifestyle groups that have secret hand shakes, or wear special secret decoder rings to identify themselves to other members. Personally, I've never met any of those. However, all 'real & true' Masters and slaves I have met - ALL have cell phones. Coincidence? I think NOT!


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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 7:40:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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You hyp-no-tize them....
 
Has this person shown any desire to be a "slave"?



I hear.......and obey.......Master.......
psssssttt....WindChymes....if this gets yer phone bill paid, lemme know...ok?



shhhhhh......phone bill, Fios, and I opened up a Macy's charge!

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 7:46:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

All successful interactions are transactional.  The prefix inter means between, among, in the midst of.  The prefix trans means across or to the other side.  That being said, in your example the only interaction and transaction has been based on goods or services in exchange for sexual or erotic goods and services.  Perfectly acceptable if both parties agree.

To change the interaction from simple transaction of goods and services you could try changing what you have to offer.  When you can offer the mindset of a Master you may be more likely to receive the mindset of a slave.



Exactly what I intended to say but a HELL of a lot more respectful.


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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 7:53:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

OP - Amazing! You stumbled across the secret cornerstone of every Master/slave relationship we've encountered, including our own - cell phone service!

Yup - six years ago it was that first trip together to the AT&T store that convinced beth to by my slave. Our relationship started with setting her up on my speed dial, then the first name on the speed dial list. Finally a special unique 'ring-tone'; sort of a 'ring-tone of consideration'. Then many carry over minutes and text messages later, she was convinced that she was ready to be a slave.

There is a lot of talk about the legendary 'Old Guard' and other secret lifestyle groups that have secret hand shakes, or wear special secret decoder rings to identify themselves to other members. Personally, I've never met any of those. However, all 'real & true' Masters and slaves I have met - ALL have cell phones. Coincidence? I think NOT!


Item one....  This was hilariously funny.

Item two....  If kevin reads this, we will never hear the end of how many Dommes there are in Dublin because he keeps seeing them talking on their cell phones.


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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 8:13:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		If it helps OP, I'll send you nude pics if you pay my phone bill.  If you pay my rent as well, I'll even superimpose my head onto the body of a porn model.

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 9:13:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP, I think you are taking the fantasy of being a slave and trying to make it come to life.
in reality, M/s relationships are far more complicated, and also respectful.

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 9:40:41 AM   
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I don't know how it works with women.  But "vanilla" men can certainly be seduced into a mindset of slavery or submission, but it's a long process (VERY hot, however) and it requires patience.

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 10:12:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OnyxDelphi

Here's an odd question for you based on a dream I had recently.

Open minded answers please.

Lets say you currently pay the phone bill on a secret crush of yours. In return they divvy up nude pics and videos of themselves at your request. Now lets say their charger breaks or they need something else for their phone...whatever.

You have the means to provide it for them, but in return, you want them to be in the mindset of  being your slave for real. Actually viewing you as their master and not it just being a play word that's used because of an exchange.

How do you go about making the naturally switch person, become your personal slave?


Personally I don't believe that this is possible in reality, unless I am proven incorrect! My thoughts is the person who is to be "turned" into a slave by your example, must at least have that need and desire to take on that slave mindset needed to be closer to a slave than just enacting a role. How I take your post, in reality, this situation is still a a play word that's used because of an exchange, you are paying bills and the slave prvides a service: and in your example, the slave provides the opportunity of you taking naked pics of he/she.


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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 10:44:15 AM   
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When you can offer the mindset of a Master you may be more likely to receive the mindset of a slave.


A slave ys not created. A slave is born.
Consensual slaves , i agree, will reveal themselves to a Master.
When the Master is ready, the slave will come.


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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 11:24:00 AM   
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You hyp-no-tize them....
 
Has this person shown any desire to be a "slave"?



I hear.......and obey.......Master.......


See, OP??
 
I'll send you a bill.

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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 11:27:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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ORIGINAL: Level

You hyp-no-tize them....
 
Has this person shown any desire to be a "slave"?



I hear.......and obey.......Master.......
psssssttt....WindChymes....if this gets yer phone bill paid, lemme know...ok?



You have to hold your hands out in front of you, and walk like a zombie first. Then you pay my phone bill!
 
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RE: How to convince them to be a slave. - 7/4/2009 11:30:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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ORIGINAL: Level

You hyp-no-tize them....
 
Has this person shown any desire to be a "slave"?



I hear.......and obey.......Master.......
psssssttt....WindChymes....if this gets yer phone bill paid, lemme know...ok?



shhhhhh......phone bill, Fios, and I opened up a Macy's charge!


Bad slave, BAD!!

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