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Daddystouch -> Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/14/2009 10:41:52 PM)

I post this here because this is directly relevant to both knife play and bondage. Obviously, to play with knives you need a knife. With bondage, I like to keep a knife on hand to cut my partner out if need be, as I suspect a lot of people do.

ACTION IS NEEDED ASAP BEFORE JUNE 21st


For the quick newsflash click HERE.

A number of days ago US Customs seized a small shipment of folding knives entering the United States. The knives were of the 'assisted opening' kind, and made by Gerber - a company you may well have heard of and a popular manufacturer of multi-tools, camping gear and sporting goods. For an explanation of the different kind of folding knife, see the bottom of this post. Assisted opening knives have previously been ruled in court and by US Customs to not be switchblades, and thus legal for import into the United States and for introduction into inter-state commerce. This seizure was the first instance of a sudden shift in US Customs policy. US Customs have now decided that assisted opening knives are switchblades and thus illegal to import and to introduce into inter-state commerce.

This does not, however, only apply to assisted opening knives. The US Customs ruling appears to apply to ALL knives that can be opened with one hand. That means the vast majority of pocket/folding knives. And it is not just knives. Many multi-tools and even modern Swiss Army Knives are designed to be opened one-handed. Even traditional thumb-nick knives like the ubiquitous Buck 110 can be flicked open one-handed.

This is not limited to just imports. This ruling will also ban transport of knives between states. US Customs definitions are also used as the basis for the interpretation of many state and local laws. Most states control switchblades in some form or another, banning their sale and in some cases possession. You may find that even possessing the knives you already own will become illegal.

There is a chance to reverse this decision, however. There is a comment period within which interested parties can contact Customs to make their voice heard. This period expires on June 21st when Customs will either reverse their decision, or ratify it. KnifeRights.org applied for an extension to this very short period for comment, but their request was denied. US Customs does not seem in the mood to listen. So you need to take action.

Visit KnifeRights.org to read about what is happening, find out how to take action and join/donate to KnifeRights.org.

There are four things you can do to fight this.

1) Write to US Customs voicing your opposition to this move and telling them that they will not sneak this past you or Congress. A model letter is here.

2) Write to your Congressman voicing your opposition and asking for their support and efforts to reverse this decision. US customs must answer to Congress. Before you write, please read this page about contacting Congress - it is extremely useful. A model letter is here.

3) Email 'customs at kniferights.org' to let them know you have sent emails to US Customs and Congress. It is important they know how many emails have been sent.

4) Join KnifeRights.org to help support the fight.

Write to Customs
Write to Congress
Join KnifeRights


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Different Types of Knife

A switchblade is a knife that opens automatically, entirely by the action of a spring that is activated when you press a button on the handle of the knife. They are tightly controlled within the United States. Federally, they are illegal to import or to send between states. At the state and local level they are often illegal to sell, carry and even own. Here is a video of a switchblade.

Assisted opening knives are opened manually by pushing them open with a thumb stud or a section of tang that pokes out the back of the handle. When the knife is partially opened in this manual fashion a spring inside the knife takes open and 'assists' the blade in opening the rest of the way. Until recently these knives have been free from regulation federally, and treated no different at the state and local level to 'traditional' folding pocket knives. They have previously been ruled not to be switchblades because there is no button that activates their opening and they are opened manually before they are 'assisted' the rest of the way - they do not open automatically like a switchblade. Household name brands such as Leatherman and Gerber make assisted opening knives, and you can buy them in WalMart and popular sporting goods stores. They are extremely common. Here is a video of an assisted opening knife opened with a thumb stud, and another with a flipper.

Non-assisted opening knives must be opened entirely manually by pushing a thumb stud, thumb hole, or 'flipper'. Their legality has never been questioned before but they could now become illegal. Here is a video of a a manual knife opening with a thumb stud, and another with a flipper.

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Please take action to stop this so that we can continue to enjoy knife play, safe bondage and for a wide variety of other reasons (utility, camping, backpacking, hunting, fishing, sailing, fire/ambulance/police/military, self-defense, martial arts etc ad infinitum).




aravain -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/14/2009 11:44:55 PM)

~FR~

You can still enjoy knife play and safe bondage if this happens... you just need to use non-folding knives. Same with camping and such (back when I was in scouts for all of a few months we were told NOT to get folding knives, and to ONLY get normal knifes with lock-able cases for our camping stuffs).




thishereboi -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 2:56:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aravain

~FR~

You can still enjoy knife play and safe bondage if this happens... you just need to use non-folding knives. Same with camping and such (back when I was in scouts for all of a few months we were told NOT to get folding knives, and to ONLY get normal knifes with lock-able cases for our camping stuffs).



Well according to his profile he lives in the UK so I am guessing he will be able to keep playing over there.




Daddystouch -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 3:24:02 AM)

Yes, you can still use fixed blade knives. But that's a bit like saying you can still use desktop computers is they ban laptops.

Yes, I'm in the UK at the moment. Moving to New Hampshire in two year's time.




aravain -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 3:47:49 AM)

~FR~

Not really. Fix-blade knives are safer for use, at least in a 'gotta get my partner out' sense, for bondage. They're much more reliable (even *I* have had a folding knife that I couldn't get open, despite it being the type that does half the work for you) and quicker to work with. Fixed blades are, generally, just as 'quick' as folding knives; the only real difference is they take up a (negligible) bit more space.

The only real convenience in folding knives (other than the fact that you can hide them in places like pockets) is that you don't need a cover/holster/whatever. Knowing my uncle, who has a thing for them, though, that's not a good enough reason to NOT have a cover/holster/whatever, because some can pop open on their own in your pocket!

So in general, imo, fixed blades are just safer all around for every use except discreetly carrying a weapon.




sirsholly -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 3:48:28 AM)

quote:

Please take action to stop this so that we can continue to enjoy knife play, safe bondage and for a wide variety of other reasons (utility, camping, backpacking, hunting, fishing, sailing, fire/ambulance/police/military, self-defense, martial arts etc ad infinitum).
i am a little confused as to why banning these knives would stop you from knife play or any of the other things you mention.




LaTigresse -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 3:59:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

Please take action to stop this so that we can continue to enjoy knife play, safe bondage and for a wide variety of other reasons (utility, camping, backpacking, hunting, fishing, sailing, fire/ambulance/police/military, self-defense, martial arts etc ad infinitum).
i am a little confused as to why banning these knives would stop you from knife play or any of the other things you mention.


Me also.
Upon reading the OP I had a vision of Chicken Little........"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!"




sirsholly -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 4:00:17 AM)

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]




Daddystouch -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 4:13:40 AM)

Folding knives are smaller, lighter and more convenient. I don't know about you but I'd rather not have a heffing great lump of steel strapped to me in a tangle of nylon/leather/kydex. A folding knife clips neatly onto your pocket, or any other item of clothing you want, and is small and light enough to forget about and doesn't get in the way.

Folding knives are fun for knife play. Opening and closing them is a big part of it. I've never used a fixed blade knife for knife play (or bondage).

Most knives are folding knives, there's much less choice when it comes to fixed blade knives.

Most jurisdictions restrict the carry of fixed blade knives.

If folding knives are only weapons, then why is there a plethora of folding knives like this? Are Swiss Army Knives and Leatherman tools in fact deadly weapons? :S

Frankly I'm astonished I have to justify this here...




LaTigresse -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 4:15:46 AM)

Apparently it is a personal issue for you.




sirsholly -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 4:17:08 AM)

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Frankly I'm astonished I have to justify this here...
Frankly i am astonished you are complaining about this. 




eyesopened -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 4:41:23 AM)

Should a ban on assisted-opening knives be enacted it would not make folding knives illegal nor would it make knife play or bondage more difficult.  I agree that the sound of a switchblade being opened is a great mind-fuck during bondage but the kinfe is still fun once it has been opened. 

In my opinion, springs, and other assistance in opening a knife is just one more thing to go wrong when that knife is needed in a hurry.  I also much prefer a revolver to a clip action pistol for the same reason.  A revolver never jams! 




shorn -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 5:56:00 AM)

Actually acording to the most recent John Sandford (John Camp) novel, switchblades are legal in Minnesota. shorn has no personal knowledge, Mistress isn't into knife play (yet at least, and Mistress would use high quality ) but shorn hasn't even noticed the NYTimes endorsing this US Customs action, so shorn questions that it covers anything but a shipment of something obviously a switchblade.




GotSteel -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 6:42:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daddystouch

The knives were of the 'assisted opening' kind, and made by Gerber


This does not, however, only apply to assisted opening knives. The US Customs ruling appears to apply to ALL knives that can be opened with one hand. That means the vast majority of pocket/folding knives. And it is not just knives. Many multi-tools and even modern Swiss Army Knives are designed to be opened one-handed. Even traditional thumb-nick knives like the ubiquitous Buck 110 can be flicked open one-handed.


"(1) A blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to
a button or device in the handle of the knife, or any knife with a
blade which opens automatically by operation of inertia, gravity,
or both;"
 

I went through the pdf at kniferights.org and can't see how this effects normal pocket knives. Seems like the issue is with knives that use a forward action spring technology.




thishereboi -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 7:06:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

Please take action to stop this so that we can continue to enjoy knife play, safe bondage and for a wide variety of other reasons (utility, camping, backpacking, hunting, fishing, sailing, fire/ambulance/police/military, self-defense, martial arts etc ad infinitum).
i am a little confused as to why banning these knives would stop you from knife play or any of the other things you mention.


Yea I don't get that either. I also don't understand why you need to for bondage. Everyone I know uses safety scissors and has no problems.




Loki45 -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 9:42:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
Me also.
Upon reading the OP I had a vision of Chicken Little........"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!"


Exactly what I was thinking. From what I understand, Customs does not make laws. They might be able to haphazardly stop an import.....but there are TONS of companies in the U.S. who make knives within our borders that Customs can't touch. I bet I could to go freakin' walmart right now and by a cartful.




outlier -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 12:07:17 PM)

I can only think of one practical reason to be concerned about this.

I carry and use pocket knives. They are a tool for me. And I have a
multitool in the glove box of each car. I have an everyday knife I carry
and a nice rosewood handled folder for when I dress well.

I have given knives as gifts to both men and women.

The only time I use a one handed knife is when I am working on something
and in the middle of the job find I need to reach with one hand open a knife
and use it. This does not happen all that often but the working knife I use
is capable of being opened with one hand for this reason.

I fear that this post and the others like it on the internet are part of
the "they (whoever they are) are taking away our ____________(fill in the blank)"
stuff that seems to be storming around the internet since the election.

The problem is there is so much of that stuff going around I don't know if there
is a legtimate problem here. This site SMKW has a reference to it since they sell
knives, but no direct reference to the actual written proposed change.
The one in the OP invites you to download a 63 page document.

This could be a potential problem of someone passing a regulation who
does not understand the actual details of how something works so they
cast too wide a net. Or it could be people being whipped up over nothing.

I can find lots of overstatemnet about this I cannot find a clear short
authoritative statement about it.

Outlier




pahunkboy -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 12:32:20 PM)

this is what happens when the silverware is not made of silver!


Quick hide the cuttlery!      No chef salad for you!   You been very bad!

Seriously- tho- if an intruder comes into your house- best not to have a nice knife rack on the kitchen counter easy to grab.....    think about it.

as to silly laws-    ....what will they think of next?   They know the dollar is doomed- so are trying to prepare for the FEMA camps. .. tho a bio weapon will wipe out 1/2 of America.  Get your immune system together.  They are not coming for the guns.  not with the bio labs and the discoveries the public has yet to learn about.


Scared?       So are they.  We have a chance.    The people have a chance....




thornhappy -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 3:58:44 PM)

Jesus [or your favorite deity here] on a pogo stick.  FEMA camps are an urban legend, no matter if Glen Beck says so.




Vampz -> RE: Knife Play/Bondage - US To Ban Pocket/Folding Knives - NEED ACTION (6/15/2009 4:28:39 PM)

Oh my... I carry a palm sized Gerber, ... but for protection and to open things.  You all play games w/ them? Hummm, well, one should try and learn something new every day and so far this site has not let me down in anyway! LMFAO!




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