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Loki45 -> RE: Crime not being paid for !! (6/7/2009 4:21:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
Yeah, that's what we should do.  We could put them on trains, and send them to special camps where we gas or machine gun a whole bunch of them at once to save time.   Oh wait a minute.....I think I saw a movie about that. 

Maybe we could ship them on trains some place really, really cold and just work them to death.  Yeah, we could even send petty criminals to those places.  Of course we wouldn't want to bother their families with it, so we wouldn't even tell them they had been arrested.  I wonder what we could call them? 

Now that I think about it, those criminals' pesky families may cause problems for the above innovative ideas.  So I reckon we arrest them too. 

Hey another idea!  We need people for medical experiments; let's use these scumbag criminals!  We could even use them for dangerous jobs working with nuclear and toxic waste.  Man, I wonder why no one has ever thought of this? 


These are some great ideas. Good job.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Crime not being paid for !! (6/7/2009 11:02:51 PM)

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I did not advocate throwing everyone into jail.  I advocat (and I repeat) putting crinimals in jail to serve out their full sentences.  I am not talking about locking up a pot smoker for life (in fact I favor the legalization of marijuana - but that's another debate).  I'm talking about the rapist who is sentenced to twenty yearts in prison actually serving twenty years in prison instead of being let out after twelve years for "good behavior" or five years because of prision over-crowding. 


Marc, "good time" is a tool that prisons use to control inmates.  It gives them a reason to behave while they're locked up.  If they don't behave, they get write ups and it's their disciplinary hearings go on the record.  The inmates know that, and they know if they want to get out while they're still young men, they better tow the line.  For the record, every prison I know of makes them go through programs, follow strict rules, and work some type of job.  If they choose not to do that, they get put in segregation (locked down in a cell 23 hours a day), and it goes on their record.  When parole time comes, they don't stand a chance of getting out. 




couldbemage -> RE: Crime not being paid for !! (6/8/2009 12:11:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
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Well I knew someone would be pedantic over the word criminal, and I wasnt disapointed. The reason I made my statement is as follows, many people commit a crime through addiction. Initially I dont see these first time offenders as criminals. They need to have the addiction treated. Secondly, I never stated let criminals off with a slap on the wrist, but the post I was replying to mentioned throwing everyone into jail. That isnt the answer.
I did not advocate throwing everyone into jail.  I advocat (and I repeat) putting crinimals in jail to serve out their full sentences.  I am not talking about locking up a pot smoker for life (in fact I favor the legalization of marijuana - but that's another debate).  I'm talking about the rapist who is sentenced to twenty yearts in prison actually serving twenty years in prison instead of being let out after twelve years for "good behavior" or five years because of prision over-crowding.  As for the drug addict who is mugging people to pay for his next hit: well, he knowingly commited a crime when he started taking an illegal drug and he still knew it was a crime to mug people which he chose to do rather than seek treatment.

So you advocate throwing the book at crimmals that YOU think are serious. Not all of them, just the bad ones.

...wait sec....

Aren't all crimes "bad"? Otherwise the wouldn't be crimes, right?

Isn't much of the buisness related to WIITWD a crime in the UK?




Marc2b -> RE: Crime not being paid for !! (6/8/2009 11:48:02 AM)

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Marc, "good time" is a tool that prisons use to control inmates. It gives them a reason to behave while they're locked up. If they don't behave, they get write ups and it's their disciplinary hearings go on the record. The inmates know that, and they know if they want to get out while they're still young men, they better tow the line. For the record, every prison I know of makes them go through programs, follow strict rules, and work some type of job. If they choose not to do that, they get put in segregation (locked down in a cell 23 hours a day), and it goes on their record. When parole time comes, they don't stand a chance of getting out.


Yeah, I know what time off for good behavior is supposedly all about but too often it is simply used to ease over crowding. Also, as you pointed out yourself the goal of behaving oneself in prision is to get out early - it doesn't necessarily mean they have reformed themselves into good people who won't revert to their criminal ways once they are out on the streets again.




Marc2b -> RE: Crime not being paid for !! (6/8/2009 12:06:50 PM)

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So you advocate throwing the book at crimmals that YOU think are serious. Not all of them, just the bad ones.


Well… yeah… of course. I advocate for what I think and leave it to others to advocate for what they think. If I advocated for what others think then I’d be a lobbyist and, believe me, you’d have to pay me very well to do that.

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Aren't all crimes "bad"? Otherwise the wouldn't be crimes, right?


No. The State decides what is and is not a crime but I am under no obligation to agree with it. Like I said, I don’t think pot smoking should be a crime. On the other hand I do think rape should be and I think most people would agree with me.

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Isn't much of the buisness related to WIITWD a crime in the UK?


Beats me (pun intended). I’m no expert on criminal law in the UK. I know that it is in many States/localities in the U.S. But that still doesn’t mean I agree with it.

Surely you can see the distinction between a lowlife cretin who beats his wife senseless and a loving couple who like to play master/slave games - with some heavy butt paddling as part of it - on the weekend? Yet both these situations would be considered assult in some places.




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