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slaveboyforyou -> Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 12:02:55 AM)
I have changed my mind on many things, and I was just wondering if I was the only one. I am typically conservative on most matters. I would welcome us to be honest here. I do not wish this to turn into a pissing contest. If you don't agree....cool. Say so and move on. It's not a order; it's just a suggestion. If you want to be a prick, than that' on you. I simply want to see if others have chosen other sides like me.

Vendaval -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 12:05:05 AM)
Yes, I was very uncomfortable around guns until life circumstances made knowing how to use them responsibly a priority.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 12:19:14 AM)
Number 1: I have changed my views on the death penalty. I used to vehemently support it. I think I was wrong. I keep reading about folks that were innocent on death row. It bothers me. I am not excusing what the guilty killers did, but I think life in a 23 hour lockdown cell is punishment enough. I'd rather be dead. But most important, I'd rather be sure that we have the right guy. Apparently we've been fucking up in that area. Number 2: I think our entire criminal justice system needs to be revamped. A lot of you know why I think that; I have personal reasons for it. But block that out for a second....We incarcerate more people than any nation on Earth. We incarcerate more folks than Communist China with a population well over a billion. What the fuck is wrong with us? Are we that sick? WE seriously lock up the most people in the WORLD? Why are we doing that? Do you think we may need to make some radical changes in our criminal justice system? Number 3: Drugs. Why don'd we just legalize the damn things? We operate a tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical industry that makes trillions of dollars. But we make poor Columbian farmers the enemy. We can solve this, and we don't need the military or law enforcement to do it. Number 4: Our medical industry. Why in the hell can't we insure EVERYONE? Other countries do it for less of a cost. Please don't give me that wait in line bullshit....I've read other studies that disprove it. Everyone in a modern society deserves medical care. We aren't Oliver Twist begging for a extra bowl of gruel. We should have this. End for now.

greenearth21 -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 12:25:16 AM)
Coming from a very very...religiously conservative family and now having a more liberal view, I can certainly say I have changed my views on a couple of things; such as gun laws, pro life/choice, civil unions/homosexuality, death penalty etc etc. I was definetely a product of my parents till senior year of high school when I started thinking outside the box and letting my wings spread (which makes me the 'bad apple' in my family). At the end of it all, I basically feel (responsible) people should do what they wish without the government or anyone else for that matter, having a say. The closest thing to conservative about me is that i've been called "fiscally conservative", otherwise, if what someone chooses to do in life does not affect me...why is it any of my business?

BitaTruble -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 1:16:53 AM)
I had a long conversation with my dad about the death penalty and he asked me if Bin Laden were standing right in front of me, would I put a bullet through his head and I honestly said.. "I don't know". When I was younger, the thought never would have even crossed my mind to do such a thing. I think about people like Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy and I can't be sorry they're dead. I think about the guy who raped then murdered my great-aunt and the guy who murdered my moms best friend and people that kill children and I started to waver from my position. I still waver. On most other stuff, I hold the same positions I've always held. I have always thought that marijuana should be, at the very least, decriminalized, I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, fiscally conservative, don't want my guns taken away and if someone is in need of medical attention, they should be able to get it without having to worry about being turned away because they can't pay. I'm for stem cell research and against the government ever butting into my personal, intimate, adult relationships, so count me, also, among those who believe that polygamy should be legal. I do, frequently, change my mind on what to make for dinner unless Sir has given me a specific instruction on what he wants to eat. [:D]

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 1:22:09 AM)
Yep, see I came from a very conservative family. We weren't relgious, but my dad is a retired Colonel in the Army. He was an asshole when I was growing up. My brother and I both got the belt when we fucked up in school. He regularly told us we were shitbags. My mother (God bless her) didn't know what to do, she just stood there. When I was 16, I got tired of it. I hit my old man with a frying pan in the kitchen. He came up, but I was waiting for him with another pan of boiling fat. I told him what I thought, and that was the end of it. I love him to death, but he is a fucker. I blame him a lot for my brother getting put in the joint. He did provide for us, but that's all he thought he had to do. The rest of the time, he was a prick.

pahunkboy -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 1:45:14 AM)
yes- I should have paid attention more in school. As it turns out- I did not know it all.

sugargirlxxx -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 1:54:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Number 1: I have changed my views on the death penalty. I used to vehemently support it. I think I was wrong. I keep reading about folks that were innocent on death row. It bothers me. I am not excusing what the guilty killers did, but I think life in a 23 hour lockdown cell is punishment enough. I'd rather be dead. But most important, I'd rather be sure that we have the right guy. Apparently we've been fucking up in that area. Number 2: I think our entire criminal justice system needs to be revamped. A lot of you know why I think that; I have personal reasons for it. But block that out for a second....We incarcerate more people than any nation on Earth. We incarcerate more folks than Communist China with a population well over a billion. What the fuck is wrong with us? Are we that sick? WE seriously lock up the most people in the WORLD? Why are we doing that? Do you think we may need to make some radical changes in our criminal justice system? Number 3: Drugs. Why don'd we just legalize the damn things? We operate a tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical industry that makes trillions of dollars. But we make poor Columbian farmers the enemy. We can solve this, and we don't need the military or law enforcement to do it. Number 4: Our medical industry. Why in the hell can't we insure EVERYONE? Other countries do it for less of a cost. Please don't give me that wait in line bullshit....I've read other studies that disprove it. Everyone in a modern society deserves medical care. We aren't Oliver Twist begging for a extra bowl of gruel. We should have this. End for now. I'll drink to that. Well said. But I have to say I would of support the death penalty IF the police, FBI, and etc would do their job correctly and stop being lazy. BUT until then.... I have to not support the death penalty.

KMsAngel -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 1:58:47 AM)
trusting someone implicitly, especially when you feel something is wrong, is not wise. it doesn't matter what promises were made. people change.

colouredin -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 4:33:51 AM)
I think that I have become more liberal, I used to have rather rigid views on things such as people living on benefits but the harder I find it to find a job the more I understand it, along with the more that I understand how society works I seem to become far more aware of its inequality. Hell one of my first ever posts on here was about how I am not a feminist and now I wear that badge with pride

slaveluci -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 5:07:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Yes, I was very uncomfortable around guns until life circumstances made knowing how to use them responsibly a priority. Agreed, Vendaval. Here is something I posted formerly here on CM: "I grew up in a rural area and all the men in my family and surrounding area were hunters. My dad and granddad (and now my brother) all collected guns. My brother was in the woods hunting deer by age 8. He, my sister, and myself were all taught how to shoot and we were taught how dangerous guns can be. Therefore, we were also taught gun safety. There were several loaded guns throughout our home the whole time I was growing up. None of us (or any of our friends) ever touched them without permission and adult supervision. It's all in how you're taught. Regardless of all that, I grew up being an anti-gun proponent. I didn't want to handle them, thought there should be strict gun control, etc. This all changed one night during college. I was staying at my grandmother's home alone when someone tried to break into the house in the wee hours of the morning. I was asleep and the only thing that saved me was that the person accidentally knocked over a huge, stone flower pot. The noise woke me and I could hear them trying to get in through the locked front door. I knew my granny kept a loaded handgun in the dresser so, hands shaking so hard I couldn't hardly hold it, I got it and headed into the living room and toward that front door. I had a moment to think, though, as they couldn't get through the front door so they went around back and started walking down the length of the back porch toward that door. I knew it wasn't locked very securely and they could probably push their way in. At that moment, I had to make a decision. What was I going to do if they came in through that door? I decided there was nothing in that house worth dying or killing for and made (what I now think was) a rather fool-hardy decision. I grabbed my car keys and, gun pointing out in front of me, opened the front door and made a dash to my car. I got in, locked it, and drove off. My neighbor and brother then came and the intruder was gone. The point of that rambling story was that, as much as I "hated" guns, the first thing I did when I felt my life was in danger was to grab one. It was easy for me to be all smug in my assurance that guns were "bad." But when I needed one to protect myself, I didn't hesitate to grab it, cock it, and get ready for battle...lol...even though I decided fleeing was the best answer. The gun gave me the sense of security I needed to run out that door and get out of there. I didn't use it to kill or maim and it didn't get used against me. The bottom line is that it afforded me enough security so that I felt safe to get outside and away from the scene of the "intended" crime. Since then, my attitude has changed. I saw the hypocrisy of my stance toward guns and have since really changed my thoughts. Since then, I've even shot an SKS. Whoosh, the power I felt. Seriously......everyone is entitled to their take on the matter but that's mine. I sure hated guns until I needed one. Now my feelings are: "I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it." luci

missturbation -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 6:58:05 AM)
Due to a discussion here on cm i changed my view of deer hunting. I was dead against it but now whilst i wouldn't choose to go out and do it i understand why people do and have no problem with it.

mdr080480 -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 7:02:42 AM)
My views on things change(d) so many times, flip-flopped from one side to the other based upon who was presenting the arguments. I can't even begin to think of all the thing that I've changed views on.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 7:14:21 AM)
You'd have to be awfully stagnant to never change your mind ever at all on anything. I am sure most of us have at one time or another. And yup, I have changed my mind about lots of stuff, and then of course over the years certain beliefs and convictions have just grown stronger, and stronger, and are much deeper beliefs now. quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou I have changed my mind on many things, and I was just wondering if I was the only one. I am typically conservative on most matters. I would welcome us to be honest here. I do not wish this to turn into a pissing contest. If you don't agree....cool. Say so and move on. It's not a order; it's just a suggestion. If you want to be a prick, than that' on you. I simply want to see if others have chosen other sides like me.

marie2 -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 7:15:29 AM)
I don't really see myself as a bleeding heart or anything like that, but I guess on most matters I lean more towards a liberal view, however, I've become conservative on certain issues that I was once liberal on, say, in my twenties. I think the single thing that has changed and shaped my views the most was becoming a parent.

LaTigresse -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 7:16:45 AM)
I think that, if we have an open mind, continue to educate ourselves, mature, it is inevitable that our opinions will change on some things. I am a very different person than I was 20 years ago. I see the world, and issues, very differently. I am less influenced by my upbringing than I was. I see everything in shades of gray rather than black and white.

Apocalypso -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 7:31:21 AM)
I used to be a strict pacifist. I now see the legitimacy of violence as solely contextual. And I've moved from being a militant atheist to being an agnostic who leans closer to belief in some kind of metaphysical force than disbelief.

DomKen -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 9:09:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Number 1: I have changed my views on the death penalty. I used to vehemently support it. I think I was wrong. I keep reading about folks that were innocent on death row. It bothers me. I am not excusing what the guilty killers did, but I think life in a 23 hour lockdown cell is punishment enough. I'd rather be dead. But most important, I'd rather be sure that we have the right guy. Apparently we've been fucking up in that area. Number 2: I think our entire criminal justice system needs to be revamped. A lot of you know why I think that; I have personal reasons for it. But block that out for a second....We incarcerate more people than any nation on Earth. We incarcerate more folks than Communist China with a population well over a billion. What the fuck is wrong with us? Are we that sick? WE seriously lock up the most people in the WORLD? Why are we doing that? Do you think we may need to make some radical changes in our criminal justice system? Number 3: Drugs. Why don'd we just legalize the damn things? We operate a tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical industry that makes trillions of dollars. But we make poor Columbian farmers the enemy. We can solve this, and we don't need the military or law enforcement to do it. Number 4: Our medical industry. Why in the hell can't we insure EVERYONE? Other countries do it for less of a cost. Please don't give me that wait in line bullshit....I've read other studies that disprove it. Everyone in a modern society deserves medical care. We aren't Oliver Twist begging for a extra bowl of gruel. We should have this. End for now. We can solve your number 2 by solving number 3. As to changing my mind, I grew up in a conservative southern home so I accepted a lot of stuff like the death penalty without actually examining the issue. Since then I've learned a lot and my positions have changed on the death penalty, the role of government, economic theory, religion and civil rights as well as numerous other issues.

popeye1250 -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 9:27:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Number 1: I have changed my views on the death penalty. I used to vehemently support it. I think I was wrong. I keep reading about folks that were innocent on death row. It bothers me. I am not excusing what the guilty killers did, but I think life in a 23 hour lockdown cell is punishment enough. I'd rather be dead. But most important, I'd rather be sure that we have the right guy. Apparently we've been fucking up in that area. Number 2: I think our entire criminal justice system needs to be revamped. A lot of you know why I think that; I have personal reasons for it. But block that out for a second....We incarcerate more people than any nation on Earth. We incarcerate more folks than Communist China with a population well over a billion. What the fuck is wrong with us? Are we that sick? WE seriously lock up the most people in the WORLD? Why are we doing that? Do you think we may need to make some radical changes in our criminal justice system? Number 3: Drugs. Why don'd we just legalize the damn things? We operate a tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical industry that makes trillions of dollars. But we make poor Columbian farmers the enemy. We can solve this, and we don't need the military or law enforcement to do it. Number 4: Our medical industry. Why in the hell can't we insure EVERYONE? Other countries do it for less of a cost. Please don't give me that wait in line bullshit....I've read other studies that disprove it. Everyone in a modern society deserves medical care. We aren't Oliver Twist begging for a extra bowl of gruel. We should have this. End for now. Slaveboy, yes, number 4 National Healthcare. I didn't know that much about it a few years back but now I think it's a good idea to cut out the insurance cos and have a one-payer system for everyone. It's not "socialized medicine" if we're paying for it through our taxes is it? Right now probably half of the premiums that people give to insurance cos are "profit", I'm not sure on that ratio though, it's been a long time since I've been in the insurance industry. They say that insurance benefits for workers are what helped pushed G.M. into bankruptcy. People shouldn't lose their houses or life savings just because they get sick.

PyrotheClown -> RE: Have you changed your position on anything? (6/2/2009 9:30:37 AM)
I used to drink coke, now I drink pepsi....... A few years ago, I took a job which had me interacting with alot of the people in public(upwards of 1000 a day).. During that time, my faith in humanity dwindled(into what only can be described as a small lump of smelly coal).I used to think that most people were pretty clever about most things, and that I wasn't smarter then shit, but after dealing with so many people who couldn't even understand the most basic of ideas ,concepts or procedures, and how easily most of them could be tricked,(and how hard it was to find good coworkers)I started thinking that society as a whole was some how doomed... I haven't been in that line of work for a while, and my faith in humanity has started to return step by step... I guess I'm one of those people who loves humanity, just keep me the fuck away from people. as for my political beliefs, I make karl marx look like a fucking republican. (and that hasn't changed)

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