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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 5:34:26 PM   
curiousINct


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Status: offline 		I wonder how many ideas that would qualify as creative never get posted because of the constant complaining about threads being repeated or old threads being bumped.

It's assumed that each new poster should automatically know how to search and navigate a message board, and that each poster has the time or desire to search and review all the old threads before creating a new one. An old thread is resurrected and snarky comments are made. A new thread is created and snarky comments are made.

This is a great place, with a lot of wonderful personalities and a fountain of information, but it can be very unwelcoming.

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 6:14:10 PM   
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LadyPact, people differ in the ways they are creative.  The forum is a written medium, so those who have a talent with words will shine.  Someone who has difficulty with expressive language may be quite innovative within their relationships but are not able to describe it; someone who is good with paint and canvas cannot adequately show us their thoughts here because they produce art by a separate means.  There are many on these boards who very likely are multi-talented; but those who struggle with the written word may use old threads to share an idea that they wanted to communicate.

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 6:31:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am jumping in without reading replies which is not my norm, but here goes.

I don't terribly mind either way, but I do hate it when a topic that I had some interest in the furthe progression dies unjustly.  This might be because it is old or because it is old hat or just because.  If I responded, and I do so as the interest strikes, I like to have some kind of feedback and impressions to give me more to think about on a given subject.  I like to know that it was worth my time to write the response etc. 

I do my best to keep my own new threads as open as possible because I like to hear all angles on a given topic.  This often makes those threads seem cold and as if I am witholding somehow, which I am.  I am doing so because I don't feel my specifics really matter overall and will damage the input I am hoping for.  I also start threads that are very specific because I need a more intimate approach and more personalized feedback.  This makes sense to me, but I find that if a thread gets too specific, then the overall relavence is lost.  This is why something may be asked from five hundred directions with the same destination.  The again if it is construed in too broad a fashiion, I find I would have been better off to hit the search function or just feed off of an existing old thread (haven't dredged up an old thread for this reason so far).

I have come to the conclusion that I am best answered when I manage to make a post both helpful to other readers and specific to me as much as possible.  It is a delicate balance that I am still working on.  I don't think it is a lack of creativity or laziness, but a true difficulty finding the sweet spot for what the writer is trying to achieve.  I like the idea of making a concept mine, but I also realize that, to a great extent, they belong to all of us and understand the natural tendancy to respond to that which is somehow self beneficial to the respondent. 

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 6:49:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

If they post in response to an old thread, they get moaned at for dragging up an old thread.

If they post a new thread with what some people see as old ideas, they get told, been there done that topic already.
Yep. It's no wonder we see so many posts by newbies who had to work up the courage to go to a simple munch.

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 7:09:55 PM   
MSTRMICHAELslut


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Status: offline 		I gotta say, as a newbie to this site, I've been browsing the forum and you lot are very intimidating! So many people get shot down in flames I wouldn't dream of starting my own thread, it's taken all my courage just to post on this one! Maybe some of the more seasoned posters could try and show a little tolerance and kindness? Just an idea :-)

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 7:56:08 PM   
LadyPact


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I know that people get shot down in flames for rehashing old topics, even when starting new threads.  I'm guilty Myself of doing this from time to time.  I have tried to be kinder in this area because I'd rather see someone ask something new to them for the first time.

Not to sound patronizing, but don't you know revitalizing those original questions from new folks really are?  Sure, it may be something that's been talked to death, but coming from those with new eyes help to keep them wonderful.


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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 8:44:34 PM   
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I get the point tho, it's annoying to see a thread from months ago reappear.

Why? What is so annoying about it, personally I don't care how old a thread is when somebody revives it, either it sparks interesting new conversations or it dies again, what is the problem?

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 8:46:08 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		I would counter that statement/question with, why would anyone lack the ability to spark a new conversation, rather than rely on an old one?

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 8:49:38 PM   
Arpig


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I would counter that statement/question with, why would anyone lack the ability to spark a new conversation, rather than rely on an old one?

What difference does it make?

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 8:51:57 PM   
lovingpet


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Status: offline 		I would say because the respondent is bouncing off one or more specific ideas within that particular thread and it is best to keep it in context.  This is especially true when it is from an old thread that was very narrow in focus or specific to a single relationship.  It may a bit to cumbersome to try to make it a free standing thread and somewhat unnecessary.  It really depends upon the intent of the person ressurecting it.

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 9:06:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am occasionally annoyed by the revival of an old thread when the relevance of the original post isn't any longer the case (Example: someone asked for advice in December, 2005 and someone rekindles the thread, offering new advice in May, 2009).  Theoretically, it could lead to some useful knowledge but that particular sort of thread revival irks me.  General information sort of stuff, particularly when it has interesting initial posts doesn't bother me and sometimes I find it quite interesting. 
As to the ability to start a conversation, I'd say that some people lack imagination, are nervous, are lazy, etc.  As for me, I talk for a living and I enjoy writing, so I don't have that issue, as you know.  :> 
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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 9:10:45 PM   
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I remember coming here in the beginning and having no clue about the system.  I was doing a search through the different forums and skimming over some threads,  and I posted to an old topic without realizing it, and got some flack over it.

I agree with what dark said, these new posters are damned if they do and damned if they don't. 

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 10:38:01 PM   
GrizzlyBear


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Some threads are worth reviving.  Some subjects are worth starting new threads on.  They are always new to somebody.  Don't like it?  Don't read them.


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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/11/2009 10:39:56 PM   
Fitznicely


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

I get the point tho, it's annoying to see a thread from months ago reappear.

Why? What is so annoying about it, personally I don't care how old a thread is when somebody revives it, either it sparks interesting new conversations or it dies again, what is the problem?


Mostly because it's irrelevant to the OP, as they've either gone or the issue is settled for them.

Better to raise a new thread, in my opinion. We're all different, with different circumstances. What's the point in posting an "oh yes, I've got that problem too" addendum to something that got sorted out potentially years ago?

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/12/2009 9:08:22 AM   
Arpig


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What's the point in posting an "oh yes, I've got that problem too" addendum to something that got sorted out potentially years ago?

Pretty much the same as making the same comment on a thread that was started just a day or two ago. It allows one to express an opinion on a topic that interests them, which is what the point of these fora is in the first place, or at least so I thought.
If the thread nazis are so bothered by revived threads, or rehashed threads, then just don't read them, rather than complaining about it

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/12/2009 10:29:55 AM   
LadyPact


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Personally, I tend to think of it as a discussion board.  In other words, interactive.  Like I said before, why talk to someone who left ages ago?


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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/12/2009 10:40:49 AM   
Arpig


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Like I said before, why talk to someone who left ages ago?
Like I said before: because it interests someone to do so. If it doesn't interest you then don't read those threads, its really very simple. I often wonder about those who try to police other people's posting habits or predelictions, its no skin off your back if somebody revives a thread, even if you don't see the reason for it. Why does it bother you so much?

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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/12/2009 10:42:31 AM   
LadyPact


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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/12/2009 11:06:00 AM   
Jeptha


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

Like I said before, why talk to someone who left ages ago?
...Why does it bother you so much?

Well - it's not that it's a great big problem on the universal scale of things...

But, I sorta see that the forum has a kind of interactive quality to it that makes it interesting (at least to me.) Resurrecting old threads (like years old - not talking yesterday or two days ago) is like putting up static reading material.

Sorta the same as if someone made one big post that was like 5 pages long...

Or just reposted some mass of material that they found anywhere.

Part of the conversational aspect of it is some semblance of brevity. Otherwise, you don't have a conversation, but a monologue or an essay.

Resurrecting mothballed threads is a little like that; like reposting an old conversation verbatim.

I have seen people start a new post using a quote from an older post, which I think works better. That could just be my opinion , o' course.


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RE: Creativity and the lack thereof - 5/12/2009 4:07:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those of us who are new to CM can't win - if we make a new post, we get scolded for not searching, and if we comply with the request to search, we get yelled at for digging up old threads. Sometimes, just reading isn't enough, we actually want to comment about it/discuss it ourselves. Hopefully we can do so in a way that isn't redundant, and is interesting, but I don't think it's productive to try to shut down conversation like that. As to the ones who ask "has anyone done x," they *KNOW* other people do x. They want to hear that it's ok for them in particular to, so they really want the replies directly to them, not to read a bunch of threads in which other people have requested the same reassurance.

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