barelynangel
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I know some people on this forum believe that a certain (insert gender or race here)should all be slaves, but educated persons know that is hogwash.
Who said anything about ALL of one gender? you are absolutely correct educated people know this and ignorant people even if they are or claim to be educated tend to believe tripe they hear about things they don't understand lol. grins As an example and a bit of a tangent -- we get this BS in the Gorean forums and from ignorant people all the time and it amazes me. And people try and use it as digs against Goreans many times passive-aggressively to somehow get a one-up on them lol - it's amusing to watch actually. However, I have yet to meet any Goreans who believe ALL women -- which tends to be a misconstrued rumor ignorant people tend to generalize that all Goreans believe -- are meant to be slaves -- just a bit of trivia, if that were REALLY the belief, slaves on Gor wouldn't have been less than 5% of ALL the women on Gor. This is the rumors that get started lol when people rely on quotes instead of actually reading the books. And educated people believe what they hear instead of obtaining the information from the source. So yeah, i agree with you the ignorance of people is amazing. But i digress.
However, you stated and this is a DIRECT quote from your post:
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No one should be forced into slavery as it is an unnatural condtion for ALL people (regardless of gender). But for some with the personality and disposition for it, it is a natural condition.
If you notice the emphasis which i added, that i where you contradiction comes in. My former Master forced me into slavery to him THROUGH his mastery of me. So simply by nature of being ONE person, i have proven your absolute wrong. I am utterly thankful he chose to force me to acknowledge what i had no clue about prior to knowing him. IF he would have explained it to me, i would have said HELL NO. He didn't, he simply forced me through his mastery to acknowledge slave.
grins what do you think i mean by force? That he tied me up, kidnapped me and chained me up? Seriously? No, sorry its not really that dramatic, i am speaking about the power of mastery. That is a pretty powerful force that if a woman is capable of reacting as slave she will and does, even if she doesn't understand it or know what it is - especially this -- MOST peopel have no clue what slavery is until the actualy are slaves. THIS concept is why there are so many misunderstandings and dramatizations of different aspects of it out there because people guess instead of know the actuality and its more fun to dramatize words such as non-consent and force and such. I mean afterall, if all force was meant that a Man through his ability to master a woman who was reactive to him and his mastery was capable of being a slave to him and if he determined it to be so -- it would probably happen -- i mean that's rather dull to the other concept of force - you know the kidnappings, screaming, beatings and rapes. - Personally i think the internet allows for too much drama to be attached to words associated with slavery and so many misunderstandings.
Your own statements clearly state that its a concept that depends on the person and therefore it can't be UNNATURAL for ALL people lol, if SOME people can exist in such a state naturally. I do believe you are thinking along the lines of legalities, and yes to me, i fully agree however, force doesn't necessarily mean illegal or harmful to the person involved. As i have said, sometimes a woman needs a umm helping hand into understanding her nature, and a Man unleashing the force of his mastery upon her -- is a force that is not harmful or illegal. When some girl who is a slave says to me i was forced to become a slave, it doesn't make me go OMG your Master is an abuser and should be put to death. I know MANY women who say plaining they could not leave if they wanted too. And this also doesn't make me go into OMG mode. Why? Because i understand it and know what they are saying.
Which is my point -- force isn't and shouldn't be a trigger word of drama, which many tend to use it dramatically. Perhaps of people recognize it for the natural source sometimes between a Man and a woman, they may understand the usefulness of such a concept. However, you would also have to be open-minded enough to see force as a concept that has nothing to do with violence or illegalities. Most peopel aren't willing to do this because it scares them because if it works on others, they themselves may find themselves in a situation where their determination they THOUGHT was their nature, really isn't and some may find themselves fully capable of maintaining their freedom as they suspected was their nature.
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< Message edited by barelynangel -- 5/3/2009 6:50:36 PM >
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