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Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/1/2009 2:27:11 PM   
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Incarceration - not education - is the Oregonians' only entitlement

The Oregonian last Sunday raised the question of whether Oregon can afford the death penalty. If you have followed the death penalty debate over the past decade, you know the arguments on capital punishment. However, the Portland newspaper has nicely framed a question that is now more timely, because Oregon schools are about to go through one more set of deep cuts and other human services agencies similarly will be reduced.

Recessions as deep as this one upend many longtime assumptions. The economic downturn forces many businesses to revisit their own basic precepts. Do these arrangements still make sense? Many premises simply don't stand up in light of the new financial constraints.

It is more difficult to do that with public understandings such as the death penalty. But Judge Paul Lipscomb offered this perspective to the Oregon Senate Judiciary Committee: "It seems doubtful that our taxpayers would continue to support the death penalty if they had any idea of the true costs it imposes on their criminal justice system." The Oregonian's article detailed those costs.

Public choices are frequently not rational choices. We seldom apply the simple test that is made in private business all the time. We can do this, but at what cost? Or, can we afford that cost?

source: http://www.dailyastorian.info/main.asp?SectionID=23&SubSectionID=392&ArticleID=60288&TM=64600.03



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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/1/2009 2:43:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The "Politicaly Correct" or so called "Humane" death penalty is not cost effective. You got the drugs, the EMT giving the three drugs, and then the doc who declared the person dead on top of bla bla bla BS.

What can I say? Shot gun shells are cheap. 



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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/1/2009 2:57:04 PM   
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The "Politicaly Correct" or so called "Humane" death penalty is not cost effective. You got the drugs, the EMT giving the three drugs, and then the doc who declared the person dead on top of bla bla bla BS.

What can I say? Shot gun shells are cheap. 

Way to not even read the article.

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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/1/2009 4:30:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

The "Politicaly Correct" or so called "Humane" death penalty is not cost effective. You got the drugs, the EMT giving the three drugs, and then the doc who declared the person dead on top of bla bla bla BS.

What can I say? Shot gun shells are cheap. 




That's another kettle of fish and I'm not even going to mention the recent inquiry and debate into the death penalty and issues with the execution protocol in Ohio or the issues the AMA have with doctors attending executions.

We're talking about the legal costs involved in the trials which have to be two stage after Furman, not to mention all those US Supreme Court rulings such as Lockett vs. Ohio, Endmund vs. Coker, Glass vs. Louisiana and so on.

I tried to cover this topic in a previous thread (deleted) with funding issues in states such as Georgia which together with Florida has to currently stall many of its capital trials through being unable to cover the costs for court appointed defence lawyers and expert witnesses as a result of the current recession. This hiatus isn't helpful to anyone, it doesn't bring justice, nor does it offer any sort of conclusion to some pretty heinous crimes nor does it do anything other than to prolong the agony and heartache of the families of victims awaiting closure through the conclusion of such trials.

Would not the current economic climate in the US provide a worthwhile opportunity to reexamine the validity of the death penalty?

Just how deeply attached are people to the death penalty as a part of society? Is it not the case that it has now outlived its usefulness and it's time to move on and look at better and cheaper alternatives?


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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/1/2009 4:39:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Death penalty opposition is never really about cost even when cost is cited in articles such as this. The costs involved are certainly a valid issue but it's an end around used to by folks who oppose something that they wouldn't like even if it was free. 

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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/1/2009 5:16:14 PM   
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Death penalty opposition is never really about cost even when cost is cited in articles such as this. The costs involved are certainly a valid issue but it's an end around used to by folks who oppose something that they wouldn't like even if it was free. 
What has that got to do with anything.
Why do any other motivations enter into a conversation you yourself charactersed as valid?
If only bloodthirsty, red meat eating citizens were to raise the point would it be more valid?

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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/1/2009 7:53:59 PM   
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     Oregonian article here

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< Message edited by TheHeretic -- 5/1/2009 8:03:49 PM >

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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/3/2009 9:30:29 PM   
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Just how deeply attached are people to the death penalty as a part of society? Is it not the case that it has now outlived its usefulness and it's time to move on and look at better and cheaper alternatives?


A better and cheaper alternative. Hmmmmmm.

How about you only get one chance to appeal and an exicution must be carried out within on year versus twenty years after the sentence? 

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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/6/2009 11:14:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Everyone is against the death penalty...until someone kills your daughter. Just do what the Chinese do--one bullet, back of the head, and charge it the man's family.

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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/6/2009 11:39:16 AM   
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Everyone is against the death penalty...until someone kills your daughter. Just do what the Chinese do--one bullet, back of the head, and charge it the man's family.

So you're ok with executing innocent people? China almost certainly does and it very well may have happened several times in the US since 1973.

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RE: Can Oregon afford the death penalty? - 5/6/2009 11:43:13 AM   
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Everyone is against the death penalty...until someone kills your daughter.





Some people are for the death penalty... until their daughter gets accused and convincted of a crime she didn't commit, and ends up on death row as a bonus.

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