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MasterGrim -> RE: Can anyone explain this to me? (4/5/2009 5:00:51 PM)

DesFIP

I at no point mentioned children... I said S.O.'s (Girlfriends/Wives)
And for this discussion "skimpies" would be short shorts, belly shirts, etc... Nothing about being undressed... just to clear it up...

Please!!! Give people SOME credit..

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MasterGrim -> RE: Can anyone explain this to me? (4/5/2009 5:09:14 PM)

I am sorry if my words offended you...

It is the closed minded people to which I was refering to..

I agree that the government SHOULD stay OUT of peoples personal lives...
What consenting adults do behind their closed doors is no ones business but theirs.

Sadly, I grew up in an air of "do as I say not as I do" which may color my opinions. (this is something I am trying to correct)
I honestly believe "to each their own"




MasterGrim -> RE: Can anyone explain this to me? (4/5/2009 5:10:53 PM)

LOGO is one of O/our favorite channels too.

[;)]




MasterGrim -> RE: Can anyone explain this to me? (4/5/2009 5:14:41 PM)

Thank you so much for posting to this thread.

I wish to pay my respects to you for your clarity, courage, and willingness to help educate.

Once again, Thank you




DesFIP -> RE: Can anyone explain this to me? (4/6/2009 6:32:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterGrim

DesFIP

I at no point mentioned children... I said S.O.'s (Girlfriends/Wives)
And for this discussion "skimpies" would be short shorts, belly shirts, etc... Nothing about being undressed... just to clear it up...

Please!!! Give people SOME credit..

Defense Rests



And don't those wives next door have offspring? Female offspring who they are trying to raise with healthy self images, not buying into tv/media images where women are only desirable for their bodies? Male offspring, who they want to see women as people, not just as objects?

You don't get it.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Can anyone explain this to me? (4/6/2009 10:14:20 PM)

Gender and sex are different. Gender is psychological and sex is physical. Some people are of one gender and the opposite sex. They have their physical bodies altered to make who they really are. So, the person you referenced is indeed a lesbian. She is female in gender, and now in sex, and is sexually attracted to women.

Master Fire




pahunkboy -> RE: Can anyone explain this to me? (4/7/2009 8:17:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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How can a person gender male at birth who has had an operation to be reassigned as a gender female be considered a lesbian?


To understand first you have to agree or at least appreciate that sexual preference and biological gender are independent of each other. A person's biological gender is controlled by physical factors out of their control at birth. A persons sexuality does not have a requirement of meeting the expectations of becoming socially 'normal' based upon the visual gender characteristics.

Without getting into the debate of whether homosexuality is nature versus nurture; your question can be answered by saying a man can love a woman but desire the physical interaction of that love be taken in the form of a lesbian relationship better enjoyed as a woman. Basically, they feel they were born as the wrong gender; but as that gender their sexual desires are homosexual. Yeah, I know - it can make your head hurt thinking about it.

We are both big fans of the LOGO Channel. They had a documentary series on this subject where the people who you describe referred to themselves as 'Gender Queer'. Some went through the sex change operation, changing their secondary sexual characteristics to the opposite gender, but coming through the operation they hoped to live their lives as a homosexual; Male to female seeking female sexual partners, female to male seeking male sexual partners. An interesting, and a bit sad result for one person going through the sex change procedure within a long term lesbian relationship, was that her partner had no desire to be with a man. As the initial hormone therapy  was taking affect and her partner was looking more and more a man, she was no longer attracted to her. After the operation, they broke up.

Some don't go as far as getting a sex change operation, but instead simply live as their non birth gender.

You can search the LOGO link I provided and see some of the episode clips.



I wish I could get LOGO.   Altho- often the gay TV is embarrassingly slutty, bitchy, silly -   free speach TV has some good programs on.




Vendaval -> RE: Can anyone explain this to me? (4/7/2009 11:23:00 AM)

Thank you, Mercnbeth, for the recommendation on the LOGO Channel.




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