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MarsBonfire -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/4/2009 7:38:57 PM)

They're called elipsies (...) Generally, you are to use them when you are leaving a particular thought hanging, thus allowing the reader to finish the thought on their own. A lot of people overuse them, thinking that they are the equivilent to a pause...  or else they mistakenly use them in place of commas...to connect phrases within a compound sentence... or placing a breath in a particualrly long and winding sentence...paragraph...or listing of examples. 

The type of suspension he is talking about on his job is only tangentally similar to that expereinced in BDSM. He is talking about a saftey measure in case of a sudden fall. In BDSM it would be more of a steady, ongoing pressure. As with most forms of bondage, the main worries are in not cutting off the blood flow, or crushing a nerve bundle. I've heard of people using parachute and saftey harnesses for play before... but they usually aren't very sexy...




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/4/2009 7:59:18 PM)



(FR, not directed at Mars)

Poor fucker. He's been on the site for almost 5 years, and this is his first post. OK, yeah, the structure makes it a little tough to work out what he's trying to articulate, but jeez. Can we take a moment in the middle of all this to just welcome the guy?

Eric, I'm not really sure I get what you're saying either, but I appreciate your trying to share it and get a discussion started. Don't get discouraged. Most of these people are really nice, it's just a tough room sometimes. Welcome to the boards, and I hope you don't wait another 5 years to take another shot at it!




IronBear -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/4/2009 8:34:27 PM)

G'day Eric. I'm guessing that your entire thrust is along the safety of bondage and suspension bondage. I guess too that part of your concern is the apparent lack of emphasis on safety in posts to appropriate threads. This is I opine due to most of the posters here are regulars and do or should know either the basic safety or where to find that information. I guess we as regular posters can and do forget that we also have a wider audience, lurkers who read what we say and some are sure to be newbys.. Cant have everything covered all the time and essentially each person is responsible for their actions knowledge and lack there of.. Anyway mate welcome to the boards.




angelikaJ -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/4/2009 9:14:54 PM)

FR

At the moment I can not find the thread but this issue was addressed awhile ago.
If I correctly recall, SteelofUtah got a reply on this same topic by DS4DUMMIES.




angelikaJ -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/4/2009 9:19:12 PM)

I got some of the details wrong [8|]

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1759278/mpage_2/key_/tm.htm#1760796




Eric2221 -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/4/2009 10:12:36 PM)

Thank you IronBear...didn,t realize that I would upset so many language police.....too f bad...some people have nothing left in their life ...whinning must be their only satisfaction...hope my writing really pisses them off...... and they don't get any sleep tonight...cutting off circulation to the body is more dangerous than you think...not only in suspension.....but cutting off circulation for a long period of time is very dangerous....hanging for only 5 minutes is dangerous...so much so...they put extra straps on each side of the fall arrest bet...that can be used to stand on..while waiting to be rescued.....just thought I would share it with everyone as I read on a profile.... that a submissive was going to try self bondage and leave the rope on all night..I am not an expert...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!....Eric                           Great minds talk about ideas.
Average minds talk about events.
Small minds talk about people.
Of what mind are you?                                                                                                                                                                                                                               




susie -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/4/2009 10:37:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Eric2221

Thank you IronBear...didn,t realize that I would upset so many language police.....too f bad...some people have nothing left in their life ...whinning must be their only satisfaction...hope my writing really pisses them off...... and they don't get any sleep tonight...cutting off circulation to the body is more dangerous than you think...not only in suspension.....but cutting off circulation for a long period of time is very dangerous....hanging for only 5 minutes is dangerous...so much so...they put extra straps on each side of the fall arrest bet...that can be used to stand on..while waiting to be rescued.....just thought I would share it with everyone as I read on a profile.... that a submissive was going to try self bondage and leave the rope on all night..I am not an expert...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!....Eric                           Great minds talk about ideas.
Average minds talk about events.
Small minds talk about people.
Of what mind are you?                                                                                                                                                                                                                               


It's not so much upsetting the "language police" but if you really have something you want people here to take notice of you should present it in a way that people will read.

Frankly I fail to see what fall arrest belts have to do with me being restrained all night. I guess we have just been doing it wrong all these years!




LadyPact -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/4/2009 10:42:26 PM)

First, it's a written forum.  Since this is the way we have to communicate, it makes it easier for folks to be able to understand what you are writing.  The elipsies are entirely overdone, and yes, people are going to call you on the incorrect use of punctuation.

Second, while you may be very familiar with the equipment that you use in the event of a fall, you must realize that most folks doing bondage aren't using such a thing to prevent a drop.  You're talking about two completely different scenarios, where yours doesn't apply to the many individuals who enjoy bondage.

In conclusion, I won't lost any sleep over your writing style, nor the skill level of many of the regulars of this forum.  They know the risk associated with what they do. 




Guilty1974 -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 2:27:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

That's the dangers of suspension you're talking about, op. Not the dangers of bondage per se.


Actually, that is a huge mistake. Harness Hang Syndrome can occur in any bondage position in which the legs are completely immobile and below the heart. Even simply standing straigt up with locked knees can pass you out, and any rope preventing you form going down to resture the blood flow immediately can be a serious problem (and when that problem has arisen, going down might kill you).

The fact this guy writes quite illegibly doesn't mean he hasn't got a point.




DemonKia -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 2:55:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Reflow syndrome is a concern in just plain old bondage without suspension. You need to keep an eye on the bottom and make sure blood flow isn't being cut off to the limbs.

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Another consideration is that not all bottoms are the same: for instance, I have a pre-existing condition that bears on this -- low blood pressure, with a tendency to faint . . . . .

Luckily I was aware of the potential dangers the coupla times I allowed myself to be experimented with as a suspension bottom; I got faint fast, surprisingly fast, even a little nauseated. Alerted the tops & everything was hunky-dory . . . . . .

As far as I can tell from that, I'm a lousy candidate for suspension bottoming (darn, but I'll get over it) because of my low blood pressure with a tendency to 'postural hypotension' (to get technical). I also tend to have poor circulation to my limbs . . . .

But this 'reflow syndrome' issue combined with the varied health histories of those experimenting with bondage-bottoming & the equally varied rope-top skill-levels is clearly, in my eyes, a big chunk of why 'always stay with the bound' is rule 1 in bondage. (With 'always stay with the bound' meaning physically, mentally, verbally, every way possible . . . . )

Okay, secondly, I want to spring up in defense of my right to use ellipses as much as I darn well please -- & ampersands, & excessive parentheses & commas, & I also like to abuse the occasional semi-colon & colon . . . . lol

(Seriously, I crack myself up . . . . . )

[sm=alien.gif]




MasterRaid -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 4:45:39 AM)

Eric....you talk and type the way you please......people are just having a chuckle at you. It appears to Me you are strong enough to withstand it so no harm done. I occasionally jump on people for the same thing. And it does remind me of shattner though........you aren't related are ya? (chuckles)




Bella1965 -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 5:00:19 AM)

G'morning all:


Just some f.y.i. here OP. Nothing in WIITWD is safe or sane. There will always be risks inherent. So long as all parties are aware of the potential threats, prepared for the consequences or results and have consented... Why are your frilly pink panties in a bunch about it? Who appointed you the bondage or suspension police?? Better yet, you think because you work in a vocation at great heights that you're somehow an expert?

Someone save me from fools, please.

I suggest OP that you save the preachiness and don't try to tell other people what they "should" do. You didn't seem too thrilled with being told that you "should" use grammar, punctuation and spelling. See how that feels?


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...


[:D]


Bella




kiwisub12 -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 7:11:20 AM)

I thank the OP for an informative post. I had no idea there was such a thing.

and play nice everyone.




GotSteel -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 7:16:31 AM)

Well I have to agree with the OP that HHS and reflow syndrome are things that should be brought up in the health and safety section. I'd love to see a clear concise thread about it locked at the top of the health and safety forum, it's called a sticky in another forum I use (don't know how it's referred to here). Since it's something the newbs should be able to find easily. However the OP doesn't actually know what he's talking about and is over blowing the danger. Hanging in a harness for 5 min. is fine, climbers and cavers do it for much longer periods constantly, I did it on days that end in y this summer.




Guilty1974 -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 1:40:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteelHanging in a harness for 5 min. is fine, climbers and cavers do it for much longer periods constantly


Climbers are usually able to move their legs, at least as long as they remain conscious. Bottoms, however, have a certain tendency to get their legs tied.
But indeed, this is a risk that should not be overblown. There's other risks that are far more likely to occur. Still, the warning is justified.




antipode -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 2:39:51 PM)

quote:

didn,t realize that I would upset so many language police.....too f bad


It isn't your language, Eric, but you have had that explained before - numerous times. If you get off on being anti-social, enjoy.




MercTech -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 2:55:53 PM)

A>  A climbing harness and a safety harness are not the same thing.
B>  Hanging too long in a harness runs the risk of blook clots and stroke.
C>  BDSM suspension is not really related to either climbing or safety harnesses.
DBI Sala makes the best safety harnesses for my money.  Better fit, less bulky, and comes with hang relief leg straps.  http://www.dbi-sala-safety.com/ 

Been climbing too much at work this week...

Stefan




antipode -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 3:02:13 PM)

I was helping a psychology grad student with her thesis, years ago, and she was using (in a European language) a type of modern spelling that wasn't accepted, nor very legible - say, for the sake of explaining, she was replacing all hard c's with a k. This would have not only offended purists, but looked from strange to alienating to myself and to proofreaders.

What I asked her was a simple question: was the statement she made through her rebellious use of the language more important than the portent of her thesis, which had to do with socio-economic issues? Was the language renewal she advocated important enough to "drown out" the intellectual message she had, something she had laboured on for four years? Was alienating those who needed to assess her work, and putting them in a situation where they had to take a decision fully unrelated to her studies, relevant? I didn't tell her not to do that, but tried to help her understand that if you have something important to convey, it is best to use standard mechanisms to do that. There is little point in giving a talk and then alienating 70% of your audience - all you will have achieved is that you have satisfied your own oversize ego, and given a clear signal you don't give a toss what your audience think.

But if that is the case, why have an audience?

Anyway, that's what I told my intern. She went away and thought about it, went to talk to some other folks to get their meaning, and eventually decided to come back to standard language. That had me go back and start over in the proofreading and the formatting, but I didn't mind that. This was a bright kid, learning and listening - not because she followed my advice, but because she didn't say "too f****** bad, I do what I want". Graduated with all the bells and whistles, she is having a brilliant career, and doesn't need the Kevlar vest any more.




DarkFury -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 3:04:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Eric2221

Thank you IronBear...didn,t realize that I would upset so many language police.....too f bad...some people have nothing left in
their life ...whinning must be their only satisfaction...hope my writing really pisses them off......
and they don't get any sleep tonight...cutting off circulation to the body is more dangerous than you think...
not only in suspension.....but cutting off circulation for a long period of time is very dangerous....hanging for only 5 minutes
is dangerous...so much so...they put extra straps on each side of the fall arrest bet...that can be used to stand on..while
waiting to be rescued.....just thought I would share it with everyone as I read on a profile.... that a submissive
was going to try self bondage and leave the rope on all night..I am not an expert...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!....Eric                        
Great minds talk about ideas.
Average minds talk about events.
Small minds talk about people.
Of what mind are you?                                                                                                                                                                                                                               



Just keep in mind the the vast majority of people who engage in bondage have enough knowledge
to know the general risks involved in being tied up. Maybe you should seriously consider that using a
more appropriate approach when passing on info, to do so in a less hostile manner.
It will be surprising how receptive your comments will be when a little politeness is used....or is this too much to ask?




DemonKia -> RE: Danger of being tied (4/5/2009 3:44:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkFury

Just keep in mind the the vast majority of people who engage in bondage have enough knowledge
to know the general risks involved in being tied up. Maybe you should seriously consider that using a
more appropriate approach when passing on info, to do so in a less hostile manner.
It will be surprising how receptive your comments will be when a little politeness is used....or is this too much to ask?



Hmmmm, I wanna disagree with you . . . . I hear & understand that many who've contributed on this thread are cognizant of the risks & educated on the subject, but my experience has been that there are plenty out there who are relatively clueless in their BDSM playing . . . . . .. Some of those clueless may even end up reading this thread & learning something, so . . .. . .

For instance, there's a top in our local community who thinks it's perfectly safe & appropriate to bind a playmate up (suspension, or whatever) & then step outside for a cigarette . . . . . I think that's grossly irresponsible & won't bottom to that top, but I'm a big picky bitch about safety . . .. . *shrugs shoulders* . . . . . Don't know if that top still does that, but I saw the pattern a few times . .. . . .

(Why don't I just say something? . . . . I did make an attempt to communicate my concerns which this top brushed off . . .. . . & from other interactions with this particular top my perception has been that this person is not open to instruction -- this person considers themselves 'educated' & all that -- & is most especially not open to learning from me (bet that's a shocker to some of y'all) . . . . . . lol . . . . & then there's that I'm not interested in being the BDSM cops, I get hated enough as it is, & I especially am not interested in being a self-appointed dungeon monitor for behavior that's less-than-immediately lethal . . ...)

Thanks to all of you who've added your 2 pennies worth, all the conversation helps me immensely . .. . .




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