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ORIGINAL: DomImus

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

I knew the numbers were being inflated.

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

No one really wants a Lopez 47 or a Smith & Rodriguez do they?

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But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

I knew the numbers were being inflated.

You knew that huh?  Well if Fox says it then it must be true.

From your link:
In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing.

And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

This is typical of their tabloid journalism.

So they are essentially implying while 90% of the 6,000 guns submitted for tracing came from the U.S., the remainder of the guns were not traced so they are arguing that those guns did not come from here without any proof either way.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

From the article:

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But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

And this is the way an article that states a fact gets twisted into being a "lie" by propogandists misrepresenting what it says. It is very careful to say that only 17% have been traced to the US. Not once does it say or imply that those that have not been traced or are untraceable did not or could not come from the US. It then states why others arent traced.

"Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News."
 
It shouldnt be a great surprise that 90% of the guns that are traced come from the US when those whose origin is being sought are those likely to have been in the US market.

The article is factual, and 100% right in calling out those who misuse the 90% statistic.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

From the article:

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But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife



Come on, this whole article was designed to twist facts into a ratings boost for their core base.

The 90% claim is basic statistical analysis.

When you see campaign polls do they interview every registered voter?  No, they use a small sampling of maybe 1,000 to 1,500 of all the country's voters, which usually is fairly accurate within a few percentage points.

How accurate would you gauge it be when a 21% sampling of the guns (6,000 of 29,000) was used and 90% were found to be US made?

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

And when it comes to assualt rifles, the Russian Ak-47 is the most widely used assault rifle in the world.