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Obama's message to Iran - 3/20/2009 10:44:20 AM   
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Makes a nice change from the pointless sabre rattling of the past. Very respectful message to the Iranian people.
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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/20/2009 10:58:25 AM   
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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/20/2009 11:48:42 AM   
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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/20/2009 11:53:30 AM   
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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/20/2009 3:50:12 PM   
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Has Iran responded yet?


They're too busy pissing their pants laughing

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 6:23:51 AM   
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It will allow Iran more time to build nuclear weapons that can reach Israel 


Is there evidence Iran is building nukes?  Would they be stupid enough to try and nuke Israel?

Anyway, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responds to Obama and has demanded concrete policy changes from the US as the price for new relations between the two states.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7956504.stm

Also, Iranian civilian views on Obama's reaching out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7954686.stm

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 6:51:37 AM   
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It will allow Iran more time to build nuclear weapons that can reach Israel 


Is there evidence Iran is building nukes?  Would they be stupid enough to try and nuke Israel?


Well..... It depends on how fanatic the religious zealots that are in control are.

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Anyway, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responds to Obama and has demanded concrete policy changes from the US as the price for new relations between the two states.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7956504.stm

Also, Iranian civilian views on Obama's reaching out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7954686.stm


Better relations with any country is always a good thing, but we would need to look at the countries that have good relations and see what is required for those good relations, and then compare that to what we would need to do for those good relations.

Is the United States no longer a "great evil", from the perspective of the religious zealots in control? I know the younger moderates would be much easier to work with.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 2:00:32 PM   
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Is the United States no longer a "great evil", from the perspective of the religious zealots in control? I know the younger moderates would be much easier to work with.


I think that was the whole point of the administration choosing this route, to appeal directly to the Iranian people and bypass the zealots in their government.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 2:22:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Better relations fine...if they don't go with us, then they are against us. Too bad Bush is out of office, he had all the solutions. Iran should take a lesson from Iraq.
And how come the economy is now the focus...what happened to the threat from Al-Quaida, the taliban, Iran.....everyone forget about 9-11?
Why does the US have to cow-tow to Iran...FORCE is what gets things done. Everyone is talking about the economy, and no one talks about the terrorist threat to our nation, democracy and the world at large, to our basic freedoms.
Iraq hid those WMDs pretty good, Iran most likely is working on a nuke system right now, America has to act, NOW, to defend against terrorism, where ever it would strike from....or we'll all be sorry later.
We know Iran is hand in glove with Al-Quaida, the Talliban, planning to destroy our democracies around the world, no time to wait and coddle them, we must take military action, if need be, and stop terrorism before it has a chance to strike. Neturalize Iran before they grow stronger and attack us while we sleep. Do we want our children to die in their beds as they sleep.....Hell NO.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 2:31:27 PM   
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The terrorist threat is largely homebred by disenfranchised groups becoming more marginalised by the policies of government. Also we've been doing a fine job of destroying our own democracies in the name of terrorism prevention. I'm wondering if you've experienced the same decade I just have for us to have such opposing views of what we did right and what we did wrong.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 3:28:51 PM   
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Better relations fine...if they don't go with us, then they are against us. Too bad Bush is out of office, he had all the solutions. Iran should take a lesson from Iraq.
And how come the economy is now the focus...what happened to the threat from Al-Quaida, the taliban, Iran.....everyone forget about 9-11?
Why does the US have to cow-tow to Iran...FORCE is what gets things done. Everyone is talking about the economy, and no one talks about the terrorist threat to our nation, democracy and the world at large, to our basic freedoms.
Iraq hid those WMDs pretty good, Iran most likely is working on a nuke system right now, America has to act, NOW, to defend against terrorism, where ever it would strike from....or we'll all be sorry later.
We know Iran is hand in glove with Al-Quaida, the Talliban, planning to destroy our democracies around the world, no time to wait and coddle them, we must take military action, if need be, and stop terrorism before it has a chance to strike. Neturalize Iran before they grow stronger and attack us while we sleep. Do we want our children to die in their beds as they sleep.....Hell NO.


I don't know if your comment is parody or not.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 3:30:38 PM   
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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 3:54:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ya know, sometimes the terrorist shouters in the US government and am radio remind me an awful lot of Joe McCarthy and his wonderful efforts to protect America from the communists.

I happen to be of the belief that our country is smart enough and strong enough to protect us from terrorism without letting the terrorists fundamentally alter our way of life. I believe we can keep ourselves safe without throwing away the constitution. And I believe that if we do give up being a free country and a constitutional democracy, then the terrorists have won.


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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 4:05:09 PM   
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Better relations fine...if they don't go with us, then they are against us. Too bad Bush is out of office, he had all the solutions. Iran should take a lesson from Iraq.
And how come the economy is now the focus...what happened to the threat from Al-Quaida, the taliban, Iran.....everyone forget about 9-11?
Why does the US have to cow-tow to Iran...FORCE is what gets things done. Everyone is talking about the economy, and no one talks about the terrorist threat to our nation, democracy and the world at large, to our basic freedoms.
Iraq hid those WMDs pretty good, Iran most likely is working on a nuke system right now, America has to act, NOW, to defend against terrorism, where ever it would strike from....or we'll all be sorry later.
We know Iran is hand in glove with Al-Quaida, the Talliban, planning to destroy our democracies around the world, no time to wait and coddle them, we must take military action, if need be, and stop terrorism before it has a chance to strike. Neturalize Iran before they grow stronger and attack us while we sleep. Do we want our children to die in their beds as they sleep.....Hell NO.

I come here a bit toungue-n-cheek anyway so let's take a look. Yes, the Iranian's likely feel they are against us in any case but their young moderates always tell the international media that life in the US would be much better and would love to have such freedom and work.
One could say Bush had at least one answer...being pres. for 8 years all luckily while Iran still needs everybody else to come build their nukes for them.

The threats from the above terrorists and Iran are unrelated. Because the young extremists can be co-opted by any authority and more. Any possible act is revealed by the large financing of logictics most of which do not enjoy.

As for nukes in Iran, they are in a quandry. The only way anyone is going to know for sure of they have a bomb is to test one underground, make it real and convincing. If they do that, even Russia and China might add Iran to their shit list.

The west and the arab oligarchs would be all over Iran and we stand by...let Israel take them out and watch as then the whole world will blame the jews...for the Iranian bomb. It's all so much easier this way.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 7:36:03 PM   
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Iraq hid those WMDs pretty good


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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/21/2009 7:54:44 PM   
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It will allow Iran more time to build nuclear weapons that can reach Israel 


Is there evidence Iran is building nukes?  Would they be stupid enough to try and nuke Israel?

Anyway, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responds to Obama and has demanded concrete policy changes from the US as the price for new relations between the two states.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7956504.stm

Also, Iranian civilian views on Obama's reaching out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7954686.stm


You're asking if a country with a religious supreme leader, whose president has an expressed desire to both annihilate Israel and pave the way for the coming of the Twelfth Imam, if they'd be stupid enough to bomb their most hated enemy.

Gotcha

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/22/2009 2:58:50 AM   
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You're asking if a country with a religious supreme leader, whose president has an expressed desire to both annihilate Israel and pave the way for the coming of the Twelfth Imam, if they'd be stupid enough to bomb their most hated enemy.

Gotcha


Two points. Just because the supreme leader is religious, it doesnt mean there are no moderates in Iran. The second point is even the zealots wouldnt risk a nuclear war they know they would lose.

The Iranian Presidency is up for election in the summer, so many of the comments from Iran will be more about votes than policy.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/22/2009 3:13:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Iran is like a lot of countries ruled by religion. There's plenty of moderates, most of whom have little to no political capital.

As far as risking a nuclear war, well, any of them get the idea that this 12th guy will poke his head out of whatever cavern he's been in for the last few thousand years, losing won't be a consideration.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/22/2009 3:20:22 AM   
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Ya know, sometimes the terrorist shouters in the US government and am radio remind me an awful lot of Joe McCarthy and his wonderful efforts to protect America from the communists.

I happen to be of the belief that our country is smart enough and strong enough to protect us from terrorism without letting the terrorists fundamentally alter our way of life. I believe we can keep ourselves safe without throwing away the constitution. And I believe that if we do give up being a free country and a constitutional democracy, then the terrorists have won.



Obviously, 9/11 proved that with all our might and intelligence the USA is just too big, to open, to free to be protected from a terrorist attack.  Heck, we can't even police our own borders!  It only took  a couple of dozen guys to bring down Ithe Towrs.  Guys bent on serving Allah and being rewarded with a few dozen virgins (I guess everyone in terrorist heaven is on viagra with an erection that must last more than six hours), 
I believe that the ONLY way to protect the country is via aggressive intelligence efforts..wire tapping conversations among suspected terrorists, following the paper trails of money to suspected terror organizations and, yes, very aggressive interrogation of prisoners to include waterboarding of people our experts feel have information that could save lives.  Protecting the USA is not something to be taken for granted because we are smart....protecting the USA is about USING our intelligence...not sitting on it.
Just speaking for myself, I don't see how any of my liberty has been infringed over the past eight years under Bush which is obviously what you are referencing.  I go about my business..no one has knocked on my door at midnight to put us in vans and prisons, and if my phones were tapped I shudder to think that the federal government might now know what my supermarket knows. You do realize that your local chain grocer knows more about your lifestyle than members of your family?

I would love to hear an explanation of "Constitutional Democracy".  I don't think it's when, in the dead of night, a few politicians steal away our sacred rights to have representation in government via our right as citizens to vote.  My life, my family,, HAVE been affected in our freedoms lost by Pelosi, Reid and Obama's administration adding a clause here... a clause there... in legislation and than pushing it through withhout my Senators and Congressman having the right to review and discuss the legislation.  Are we talking about a country that is a "democracy"...or a country run by a handful of "democrat" politicians???  That truly is a loss of our freedoms, in my view. AIG GATE is just the most recent example. And there is so much more you and I don't know about that is probably going to come out as people have a chance to do a truly forensic analysis of the so called "sitmulus" and "omnibus" legislation.

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RE: Obama's message to Iran - 3/22/2009 4:57:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		What we might consider moderate the Iranian religious police consider to be counter revolutionairies. Even the previous president spoke frequently of maintaining the jihad against Western Ideals to the Iranian people and he was considered not merely a moderate but a reformer. The Iranians are thought to be a decade away from the bomb without setbacks- but they have had a lot of setbacks in the past and it could be a long while before they get there. The big issue is the so called dirty bomb- plutonium or uranium dispersed by a conventional explosive. Would the Democrats- much the less the Europeans- allow the bombing of Tehran because some terrorist group exploded one of these in Rome or New York? All Tehran would have to do is find somebody from Palestine or Lebanon to pull the trigger and there would be no way that Tehran would be held responsible.
it should also be remembered that Iran IS a democracy. the issue is that the religious authorities maintain control over the process and participants via one method or another.

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