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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/4/2009 7:53:41 PM

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Someone is competent at activity X if people who respect activity X say, "Dang, that person's good!"

Someone is an expert at activity X if experts at activity X say, "That person is an expert."

How do you get the "first" expert? Practical answer: if people who like activity X are willing to shell out hard cash, on a regular basis, to learn from someone, that person's an expert.

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/4/2009 8:39:22 PM

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Someone is competent at activity X if people who respect activity X say, "Dang, that person's good!"

Someone is an expert at activity X if experts at activity X say, "That person is an expert."

How do you get the "first" expert? Practical answer: if people who like activity X are willing to shell out hard cash, on a regular basis, to learn from someone, that person's an expert.

Damn fine answer, Red.

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 2:21:32 AM

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You can only become competent from experience. With experience you become competent at weeding out the bullshit artists who endeavour to waste so much of your valueable time. With too many competencies, you open up the door to endless crap artists. With experience you can nail your particular competencies and attract likeminded individuals. If you find yourself chuckling and asking "what does that mean?" perhaps you should take it upon yourself to actually contact the persons behind the profiles and ask them. There is no substitute for experience, no matter how competent you think you are.

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 2:22:24 AM

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 5:54:23 AM

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Shouldn't we view our experts based on their competencies rather than based on experience?

The short answer is yes.

Competency is the ability to deliver desired outcomes, to get the job done right, to avoid mistakes.

Experience is only useful is whoever is prepared to learn from it. I know lots of very experienced people at work, and in life, who keep on repeating the same mistakes. So they are very experienced, but not very competent.

To be competent you must care about avoiding mistakes, otherwise you'll never care to learn from experience.

I think it was Niels Bohr who defined an expert as someone who made all the mistakes possible within a small and well-defined field.

Competency requires expertise; an understanding of what mistakes can be made and also how they can be handled.

Expertise is the result of actively learning from experience and not simply some by-product of unreflected experience itself.

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 6:01:36 AM

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Competency can LEAD to expertize but it is not a requirement. Competent means able to do the job at hand; it doesn't even mean that you can do it well, just that you can do it, that you have the minimum knowledge and experience to perform the task.

Expertize requires being able to do the task, do it well, repeat it with the same high quality outcome with regularity, and, in my opinion, the ability to handle with tact and safety variables (the giggles, a toy breaking, a house fire, sudden attack of spiders from Mars....) that arise.

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 6:44:13 AM

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Umm, not quite. :)

One can only be more competent in relation to another.

As I've said before, an expert is one that PEERS look to for advice and possibly instruction. It doesn't imply perfection, although, to become an expert, you'd have to be more competent than most (but not all), based on the judgement of your peers.

Let me see if I can break this down appropriately.

Experience: You can have a little to a great deal. It has little to do with being competent, other than the time required to become competent to any degree. It's time based. (A certain amount of time spent on an activity.)

Competence: You can be less or more. It's relation to experience is based on how much time is spent to develop competency to any degree. It's based on results. (Desired results consistently achieved or failed.)

Expertise: You can either be an expert or not. It only relates to competency by reputation with your peers. It's based on notoriety. (How others consider your ability and knowledge in relation to others.) Experience may be a factor, though. (High competence gained in a short period of time in relation to others.)

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 7:03:15 AM

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Does competency really require expertise?

Okay, so it depends upon the nature of the actual job. It is possible to be competent is some cases simply by observing a few rules-of-thumb. This would be sufficient to avoid mistakes and thus negating the need for a knowledge base of potential mistakes.

However to develop such rules-of-thumb would require such a knowledge base. Such rules-of-thumb would have to be developed by experts. Ultimately, competence in any kind of field requires experts.

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 7:34:14 AM

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this is very true i have met prodommes who were horriable who said they were this and that and very much unsafe all for a buck go figure

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 8:02:00 AM

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I'd like to chime a couple of things in here. I think pro domination is another issue entirely. Not every pro is good at what they do. There's a full range of the spectrum out there. Paying someone for the opportunity to bottom to them also isn't especially about learning technique. It can be, if that's the purpose of going, but I'm sure that's not the majority.

Another thing. Let's not mislead anyone. There isn't anyone that I know that I would consider an expert at any particular form of play that will tell you that they never make a mistake. Accidents can, do, and will happen. Not every scene, or every demo for that matter, goes off without a hitch. Part of determining the quality of a good Top isn't just when things are carried off flawlessly. It's also how they handle it when they don't.

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 9:10:37 AM

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Part of determining the quality of a good Top isn't just when things are carried off flawlessly. It's also how they handle it when they don't.

Yeah. Anyone can look like a genius when nothing goes wrong.

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 12:05:27 PM

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Well, I have some experience in many bdsm thingies, being in the scene for some 8 years or so, but the only thing I'd claim competence in is rope bondage. That's my favourite, I've been studying it hard, and still am. If you want to know if I'm competent enough for you, you can check my website, or ask any of the models or other people I've tied.

But being competent doesn't mean I'm an expert. I still learn, often enough from relative beginners with some great ideas. I know quite a few riggers that I look up to.

And no, experience doesn't automatically mean competence either. I've got some 28 years of experience using ballpoints, but my handwriting is still illegible to any and all but me

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RE: Experience, competencies, experts - 3/5/2009 12:13:14 PM

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This is a really interesting inquiry, thank you.
Above all, I would place trust in and affinity for the specific person with whom I was doing whatever activity/activities.
I've been with people who have been with hundreds, even into the thousands of people and I've been with people residing in the single digits. You know, connection for me has always mattered far more. Intimacy and love rock my world.
Certain activities, no matter how many times you've done them or how much an understanding of risks, physiology, etc. someone has, bear really substantial risks that can't be anticipated cleanly (Like breath play, as an example). Knowing a person understands those risks, knows about physiology, and probably isn't going to turn into a hysterical spaz if something goes wrong is about the best you do if you choose to play in that way.
Some people get off on blind risk. I'm not one of them. Calculated risks with someone who matters enough for me to take those risks with, groovy! :>
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