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xBullx -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 7:07:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

I thought it was a great speech. I just got annoyed that Nancy Pelosi kept jumping up to clap at every third sentence. I was actually yelling at the TV- "Oh for God's sake, would you sit the FUCK down!" 




She is certainly becoming a world renouned attention whore...




Sanity -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 7:11:20 AM)


Sweet, lovable Nancy Pelosi is third in line to be president, if god forbid anything happens to Joe and Barack.

If that doesn't give you bad dreams, I don't know what will...


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ORIGINAL: xBullx
She is certainly becoming a world renouned attention whore...




xBullx -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 7:23:58 AM)

-fast reply-

I'm noticing an ever- growing trend in his messages, a trend I thought he was out to get rid of, in his change.

He likes to indirectly say this mess ain't my fault, I got stuck with it. Well hell every President can say that. The world order, political challanges, economic issues and other social conditions are always ongoing and never ending. Clinton Left Bush a large economic downtrend. Daddy Bush left Clinton challanges. Reagan left political turmoil for Daddy Bush and Carter left a mess we're all still dealing with.

But Obama is working to become the master of the cheap shot, he's determined to drive a bigger wedge in the political environment if you ask me. Suits me fine though, I'm noting a growing number supporting my Libertarian views.

Keep up the good work Mr. President.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 7:40:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I thought the speech was excellent, but as others have said, I don't expect otherwise.

The time for just pretty words, is over. As grandma used to say....."the proof is in the pudding". Show us Mr. President.


And once again, investors - the people who are going to be the ones to really kickstart the recovery - agree. He gave perhaps the best, and most inspiring, speech of his young administration last night, and this morning the Dow responded by dropping 160 points. I don't think anyone's really even listening to the speeches anymore. Bernanke made a statement the day before, and the market jumped up 236 points. Obama speaks the next night, and it drops 160. A 400-point reversal.

This is very troubling. His greatest asset is his power to persuade people with his oratory, and it appears that already, just a month into his effort to turn this ship around, the people he most needs to persuade - the investors -  have stopped listening to him.





ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 7:48:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xBullx
He likes to indirectly say this mess ain't my fault, I got stuck with it. Well hell every President can say that. The world order, political challanges, economic issues and other social conditions are always ongoing and never ending. Clinton Left Bush a large economic downtrend. Daddy Bush left Clinton challanges. Reagan left political turmoil for Daddy Bush and Carter left a mess we're all still dealing with.

But Obama is working to become the master of the cheap shot, he's determined to drive a bigger wedge in the political environment if you ask me. Suits me fine though, I'm noting a growing number supporting my Libertarian views.


I see it too, and I'm already sick of it. I expected better of him. Don't get me wrong; I hate the republican party, and love nothing more than to see them get skewered at every opportunity, but an effective leader needs to know when to rise above that temptation and focus on the problem at hand. Constant reminders that republicans suck are not productive, and do nothing to move us forward. Gratuitous cheap shots are a luxury none of us can afford at this point.

Enough, already. We get it. It was all Bush's fault, Bush did it, it's not your fault, you inherited this mess from the republicans, we get it. OK. Stop your fucking whining and tell us - specifically - what you're going to do to fix it going forward. And then just fucking do it.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 8:13:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Sweet, lovable Nancy Pelosi is third in line to be president, if god forbid anything happens to Joe and Barack.

If that doesn't give you bad dreams, I don't know what will...



In my mind, there's something even scarier. The worst news about Pelosi is not that she's an incompetent leader and completely devoid of character and integrity, and it's not even that she's utterly clueless about the real-world impact of her idealistic social engineering theories - the worst news about Pelosi is that the democratic party has decided that this weak, shallow, egotistical, unimaginative, and completely amoral woman is the person best suited to lead the House of Representatives. That's what's really scary - not that this one woman is so appalingly unsuited for her position, but that the majority of her colleagues think she's the best possible choice to lead them. This bodes very, very poorly for the democratic party in the future.




popeye1250 -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 8:18:22 AM)

Bernanke hasn't been right in four years now.
People think that there's some "quick fix" for this economy but there isn't of course.
Reccessions just have to play themselves out and we're only about halfway through this one. And unless we get out of those rediculous "free-trade" deals and start making things in this country again so that the working class has money to spend any "recovery" will be tepid at best. We can't allow cos. to "outsource" jobs everytime they start to pay well. I totally agree with President Obama on that.
In the 90's we had "computers" and anyone could get a job at $80k per year! They were screaming for help!
We need to be thinking of ways to increase the standard of living in this country not decreasing it with lower pay for everyone!
Around here even Dentists are lowering their fees to get people in, that's not good.




Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 8:20:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: xBullx
He likes to indirectly say this mess ain't my fault, I got stuck with it. Well hell every President can say that. The world order, political challanges, economic issues and other social conditions are always ongoing and never ending. Clinton Left Bush a large economic downtrend. Daddy Bush left Clinton challanges. Reagan left political turmoil for Daddy Bush and Carter left a mess we're all still dealing with.

But Obama is working to become the master of the cheap shot, he's determined to drive a bigger wedge in the political environment if you ask me. Suits me fine though, I'm noting a growing number supporting my Libertarian views.


I see it too, and I'm already sick of it. I expected better of him. Don't get me wrong; I hate the republican party, and love nothing more than to see them get skewered at every opportunity, but an effective leader needs to know when to rise above that temptation and focus on the problem at hand. ( what about diversity? No differing opinion but your own?)
Constant reminders that republicans suck are not productive, and do nothing to move us forward. Gratuitous cheap shots are a luxury none of us can afford at this point.

Enough, already. We get it. It was all Bush's fault, Bush did it, it's not your fault, you inherited this mess from the republicans, we get it. OK. Stop your fucking whining and tell us - specifically - what you're going to do to fix it going forward. And then just fucking do it.
SPEND SPEND SPEND, thats what he is going to do .
$ 900,000,000.00 more to rebuild Gaza. 2 trillion Borrowed monies  moved from one Gov pocket to another.




slaveboy291 -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 9:16:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Cory, your hysteria is showing.



It's more like desperation, which is what cory, coldwarrior, sanity and the rest of that ilk are right now.  Desperate.  Perhaps at one point 5 or 6yrs ago the whinning of these "conservatives" may have had some significance.  But today, all they're doing is repeating the same tired mantra which is more laughable now than ever.

It's not suprising, when you talk out of your ass which all these "conservatives" have been doing all over then net over the last 5-6yrs eventually it's gets tiresome, they don't bring anything new to the table and nowadays, it's just whinning and desperation.

That and of course one thing that people like Cory have in common with real conservatives is a pention for being very sore losers.




Lorr47 -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 3:31:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboy291

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Cory, your hysteria is showing.



It's more like desperation, which is what cory, coldwarrior, sanity and the rest of that ilk are right now.  Desperate.  Perhaps at one point 5 or 6yrs ago the whinning of these "conservatives" may have had some significance.  But today, all they're doing is repeating the same tired mantra which is more laughable now than ever.

It's not suprising, when you talk out of your ass which all these "conservatives" have been doing all over then net over the last 5-6yrs eventually it's gets tiresome, they don't bring anything new to the table and nowadays, it's just whinning and desperation.

That and of course one thing that people like Cory have in common with real conservatives is a pention for being very sore losers.


Yes.  And, Gov. Jendal's response after Obama's speech shows just how bad it is really getting.  Columnist Brooks who identifies with the republican party was pounding his desk and actually crying saying that Jendal's statements after the speech now hold the number one spot of all time as relates to stupid republican statements.




TNstepsout -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 4:35:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Enough, already. We get it. It was all Bush's fault, Bush did it, it's not your fault, you inherited this mess from the republicans, we get it. OK. Stop your fucking whining and tell us - specifically - what you're going to do to fix it going forward. And then just fucking do it.


Uh??? What's he supposed to do in a month?




MarsBonfire -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 5:39:46 PM)

I LOVED the republican response... Bobbi Jhindhal? REALLY? LOL.... In case you've forgotten, this is the guy who was tagged as hosting exorsisims while in office. He's also squarely in the corner of the creationist lobby... So I guess we all know how much credibility to give this schmuck.

Loved his "folksy story" about saying, "screw the beaurucarats, I'm going out there to save some people after Katrina!" (Except fact checkers have found out that it never happened....) Isn't it interesting that he had to say "fuck it I'm rescuing people!" When it was a republican president and a republican head of FEMA that was responsible for the non-response after the storm in the first place?

I'm lovin' this! Keep it up GOP! Give us more Bobbi JIZZ-doll, give us more Gov. PALE-in, give us more John "No, I'm a Mavrick, really!" McPain... I used to think that the GOP was a monster that needed a stake driven through it's heart... but now we find it's becoming more like those little monsters in the "Ladders" commercial. Nothing more than a squeeky bunch of annoying yap dogs.

And the REALLY great thing? America, demographically, is graying. Voters for the GOP will be retiring and dropping out of the polls more and more every year. A younger, more politically active, and progressive generation is waiting in the wings... 

(cocks one ear to listen)

Hear that? That's the sowerful bleating of a political party caught in the tar pit of it's own bullshit. Slowly it gets pulled down...  I doubt that the GOP will ever compleately disappear up their own asses... after all there are still people out there who think the Earth is flat. But, they are truely dying out ...like dinosaurs caught in the tar pits.




MarsBonfire -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/25/2009 5:42:00 PM)

Oh, yeah. ...and good riddence to them.




MrRodgers -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/26/2009 12:35:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Sweet, lovable Nancy Pelosi is third in line to be president, if god forbid anything happens to Joe and Barack.

If that doesn't give you bad dreams, I don't know what will...


In my mind, there's something even scarier. The worst news about Pelosi is not that she's an incompetent leader and completely devoid of character and integrity, and it's not even that she's utterly clueless about the real-world impact of her idealistic social engineering theories - the worst news about Pelosi is that the democratic party has decided that this weak, shallow, egotistical, unimaginative, and completely amoral woman is the person best suited to lead the House of Representatives. That's what's really scary - not that this one woman is so appalingly unsuited for her position, but that the majority of her colleagues think she's the best possible choice to lead them. This bodes very, very poorly for the democratic party in the future.

Oh get a grip, what do you know about this woman ? Shit, all I know is that she like many her age, uses a lotta make-up and in her case...has 5 children.

For crying out loud kinkroids who the fuck is speaker of the house but in line to be president and a position to which in our entire history not a single one...has ever ascended.

I am much more concerned about a partisan show down that might again close down the govt.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/26/2009 12:42:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Enough, already. We get it. It was all Bush's fault, Bush did it, it's not your fault, you inherited this mess from the republicans, we get it. OK. Stop your fucking whining and tell us - specifically - what you're going to do to fix it going forward. And then just fucking do it.


Uh??? What's he supposed to do in a month?



I'd like to see him do what he promised to do - "hit the ground running", was the phrase he used. All throughout the campaign, he pledged that he would have a comprehensive plan in place and be ready to start implementing it from Day One (another phrase he used rather often). Well, here it is Day... what? 34? 35? Does anyone know yet what his plan is? If they do, I wish they'd share it with the rest of us, and maybe even let him know what it is, because he doesn't seem to know either. For the most part, all we hear him mention (in between blaming Bush) are vague goals and objectives; or more accurately, not even goals and objectives - just intentions. We're going to shore up the banking  system, we're going to stabilize the housing sector, we're going to reform Wall Street, we're going to do this, we're going to do that, blah blah blah... well, great, but how? What is your plan, Mr. President? How are you going to actually accomplish these things?

We don't know, because he doesn't seem to feel any pressing need to share that with us. He's had a lot of time to crystallize some sort of an action plan. He's only been in office a month, true, but supposedly he had his people start working on this within days of the election, 3 and a half months ago. He was quite clear about that, made sure everyone knew he was going to be ready to rock and roll starting January 20. And all we've heard since then have been, essentially, more campaign speeches - Bush is no good, the situation is terrifyingly dire, republicans are to blame, but don't worry because Obama's going to fix everything. Nothing specific. And the more empty speeches he gives, the more people start to think it's because he doesn't know what he's going to do. And while I'm not yet one of those people, I can understand why they do think that, and frankly it'll only take about another week or so of this "it may be necessary to partially nationalize the banks no it won't that would be a bad idea" crap before I am one of them. This business of giving speeches every couple of days reminding us how bad things are without telling us what he's going to do about it is not what we hired him to do. This is not the way he represented himself in the job interview.

Now. It may well be that this is just a case of a new man on the job taking longer than he expected to get his hands wrapped around a problem that was more serious than he realized. That happens all the time in every occupation, and while if that's the case it would not be particularly reassuring news, at least it would be a plausible explanation for why they're getting such a slow start. I could live with that, i could understand it. I think most of us who supported him would feel the same way. But for god's sake, Mr. President, if that is the case, at least have the maturity and the professionalism to refrain from constantly criticizing your predecessor. Yes, we get it. It was Bush's fault. And yes, I totally agree.

But you know what? I don't give a shit at this point who's fault it was. Bush is off somewhere doing his part to lower the average IQ in the state of Texas, and he is no longer relevant. I hired you to find a solution to the problem, Mr. President, not spend weeks and months barking about how the problem isn't your fault. Until you've actually started to do something  substantive to fix it, please desist from this petty sniping - because quite frankly, at this point, you have not yet done anything more to fix it than Bush did. When you do, you'll have earned the right to start digging at that miserable bastard Bush once again, and I'll cheer my TV every time you do. But right now, it serves only to remind us that you've done nothing yourself, and make you look like a disappointingly small human being.






ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/26/2009 12:49:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Oh get a grip, what do you know about this woman ? Shit, all I know is that she like many her age, uses a lotta make-up and in her case...has 5 children.


I find that very difficult to believe, because I've always regarded you as an unusually intelligent and well-informed poster. But if that's really all you know about Nancy Pelosi, you might want to consider reading a newspaper every once in a while. They occasionally run articles about her, and from reading those articles, you can often learn enough about her job performance and her leadership style for you to form opinions on whether she's qualified to do her job. Seriously, that works. Lots of people do that.



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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
For crying out loud kinkroids who the fuck is speaker of the house but in line to be president and a position to which in our entire history not a single one...has ever ascended.


I really don't care very much who's 3rd in line to be president. What I don't like about Pelosi is not that she'd make a lousy president at some point in the future, but that right now, she makes a lousy Speaker of the House. At a time when we really can't afford mediocre leadership in that position.




Truthiness -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/26/2009 10:07:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboy291
That and of course one thing that people like Cory have in common with real conservatives is a pention for being very sore losers.


People are showing actual concern over some incredibly scary incoming government policy.  I don't think they're fooled by you shifting the focus by dismissing it as being a "sore loser."




slaveboy291 -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/26/2009 5:12:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Truthiness

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ORIGINAL: slaveboy291
That and of course one thing that people like Cory have in common with real conservatives is a pention for being very sore losers.


People are showing actual concern over some incredibly scary incoming government policy.  I don't think they're fooled by you shifting the focus by dismissing it as being a "sore loser."



That's because they are.  Why do you think they attack Obama for not fufilling promises when he hasn't been in office for 3 months? 

The only people who are trying to fool anybody is them.  They're trying to bury Obama because he hasn't done everything he said he would even though he's only been a President for a short time, and it's gonna take a long time to clean up the mess he inherited from the Bush administration.  I mean, he has 8yrs of completely incompetence to undo, you can't do that overnight.  You can't fix the economy overnight either.

And it is incredibly petty, and it is a sign of sore losers.

Sorry but Obama's election is proof that people aren't fooled by the netcons mantra of blaming everybody but who was actually responsible for this mess.




Owner59 -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/26/2009 5:22:06 PM)

Can anyone explain why Speaker Pelosi is so bad?

What has she said or done wrong to receive all the bashing?

After the last 8 years,the cons have a lot of nerve to criticize anyone.Kinda like New England Patriots fans complaining about other teams cheating.




TheHeretic -> RE: Obama about to speak (2/26/2009 6:06:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboy291

That and of course one thing that people like Cory have in common with real conservatives is a pention for being very sore losers.



          So I'm guessing you were in a cave or something back in 2000?  Thanks, 291, I needed a good laugh. 

     Hell, there are still people running around these very forums who STILL try to insist Gore really won that election.




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