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MzMia -> Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 9:21:40 PM)
I have been against most of this "free trade" crap and outsourcing of American jobs for years. Have I been one of the few that always wondered about this shit? We sat here and let all these companies outsource all of our jobs, now where the hell are we? OutsourceOutrage.com Outsourcing America's Future Outsourcing American Jobs and How it Hurts the U.S. Economy - Associated Content TRADE: Outsourcing Jobs - Council on Foreign Relations

GimpinDenial -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 9:35:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia We sat here and let all these companies outsource all of our jobs, now where the hell are we? Looking at Canada...and wishing were were Cunucks

MzMia -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 9:38:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GimpinDenial quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia We sat here and let all these companies outsource all of our jobs, now where the hell are we? Looking at Canada...and wishing were were Cunucks We sat here like dumb asses and let them {President/Congress/Corporations} screw us. Now we need a stimulus package to create jobs here in America. I swear I often feel I live in a fucking alternative world.

MrRodgers -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 9:58:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia I have been against most of this "free trade" crap and outsourcing of American jobs for years. Have I been one of the few that always wondered about this shit? We sat here and let all these companies outsource all of our jobs, now where the hell are we? OutsourceOutrage.com Outsourcing America's Future Outsourcing American Jobs and How it Hurts the U.S. Economy - Associated Content TRADE: Outsourcing Jobs - Council on Foreign Relations These so-called 'free trade' agreements are NOT free-trade agreements at all. Those 'signed' to date are negotiated behind closed doors and subject only to an up or down vote. It was called 'fast track' authority for the executive branch. Also, they contain a variety of agricultural and textile protections including high tariffs on Canadian lumber and Brazilian ethanol for just two examples. This is only the beginning. American labor will all be forced to compete not only a billion Chinese peasants but fight for jobs within a few services that can't be exported if only because what you are servicing...is here. And almost directly as a result...Americans are collectively borrowing $6 Billion/day. With the bailouts (socialism for the rich) that will double and soon triple. Our kids will be great service people...very possibly paying a 50% income tax while 'investors' (paper-traders) pay 15%...or less.

MzMia -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 10:01:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia I have been against most of this "free trade" crap and outsourcing of American jobs for years. Have I been one of the few that always wondered about this shit? We sat here and let all these companies outsource all of our jobs, now where the hell are we? OutsourceOutrage.com Outsourcing America's Future Outsourcing American Jobs and How it Hurts the U.S. Economy - Associated Content TRADE: Outsourcing Jobs - Council on Foreign Relations These so-called 'free trade' agreements are NOT free-trade agreements at all. Those 'signed' to date are negotiated behind closed doors and subject only to an up or down vote. It was called 'fast track' authority for the executive branch. Also, they contain a variety of agricultural and textile protections including high tariffs on Canadian lumber and Brazilian ethanol for just two examples. This is only the beginning. American labor will all be forced to compete not only a billion Chinese peasants but fight for jobs within a few services that can't be exported if only because what you are servicing...is here. And almost directly as a result...Americans are collectively borrowing $6 Billion/day. With the bailouts (socialism for the rich) that will double and soon triple. Our kids will be great service people...very possibly paying a 50% income tax while 'investors' (paper-traders) pay 15%...or less. Gee wilikers Batman! We will have to compete with Chinese peasants soon? That is something to look forward to. As always Mr.Rodgers, you do bring it! [;)]

popeye1250 -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 10:15:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia I have been against most of this "free trade" crap and outsourcing of American jobs for years. Have I been one of the few that always wondered about this shit? We sat here and let all these companies outsource all of our jobs, now where the hell are we? OutsourceOutrage.com Outsourcing America's Future Outsourcing American Jobs and How it Hurts the U.S. Economy - Associated Content TRADE: Outsourcing Jobs - Council on Foreign Relations These so-called 'free trade' agreements are NOT free-trade agreements at all. Those 'signed' to date are negotiated behind closed doors and subject only to an up or down vote. It was called 'fast track' authority for the executive branch. Also, they contain a variety of agricultural and textile protections including high tariffs on Canadian lumber and Brazilian ethanol for just two examples. This is only the beginning. American labor will all be forced to compete not only a billion Chinese peasants but fight for jobs within a few services that can't be exported if only because what you are servicing...is here. And almost directly as a result...Americans are collectively borrowing $6 Billion/day. With the bailouts (socialism for the rich) that will double and soon triple. Our kids will be great service people...very possibly paying a 50% income tax while 'investors' (paper-traders) pay 15%...or less. I'd rather take my chances and be a bank robber.

corysub -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 10:24:42 PM)
Eliminate outsourcing? It is not that easy. Take a look at the retail garment industry. Companies are now getting clothing made in half the United Nations, it seems to me. The garment center in NYC has been reduced significantly as jobs first went to the southern States because labor in right to work states was cheaper, and than went to Central and South America...because labor was cheaper, and in recent years, to the Orient. Like water, business will gravitiate to the lowest cost of goods sold. If we subsidized the domestic U.S. supplier to offset cheaper foreign product, the taxpayer pays for the cost of a product..that's you and me. If we put up tarriff's to stop the importation of foreign goods or make them less competitive, the American shopper (see taxpayer above) pays higher prices. If we passed a law to totally prohibit outsourcing of all services, such as "help desks", who do you think will suffer from either extended wait times or possibly even a "charge" for what are now free services...yep...us again. For years the "mantra" among the progressives out there has been to send billions of dollars to third world countries to help them educate their people, create jobs and make for better lives for the poor of the world. Guess what....the poor of Guatamala, Nicaragua, Mexico, Madagascar, and dozens of other countries now successfully compete against American workers. In addition you have India with the largest middle class in the world developing people with the technical skills to manufacture product and perform services made possible by cheap telecommunications that have displaced Americans. China is the biggest of them all at the moment, and I have read that even China is starting to "outsource" to VietNam where labor is cheaper. With all of this, the country is still able to provide jobs for some number over ten million for illegals supposedly doing jobs that Americans won't do...from cutting grass to the building and repair of homes. How many American jobs were lost by the Congress raising the minimum wage in this country. I hired 20% less people in our seasonal business because of the 40% overnight increase in wages! Worse than the impact of several million jobs going over-seas, the "Thank you for your support" democrat so called stimulus Bill is going to result in rampant inflation in a year or two and cost the economy a lot more jobs than people answering the phone in India. I share your concerns...but we are caught in an economic spin downward spiral that we might not come out of for years...given the absense of statesmen among our partisan political elite.

MzMia -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 10:31:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Eliminate outsourcing? It is not that easy. Take a look at the retail garment industry. Companies are now getting clothing made in half the United Nations, it seems to me. The garment center in NYC has been reduced significantly as jobs first went to the southern States because labor in right to work states was cheaper, and than went to Central and South America...because labor was cheaper, and in recent years, to the Orient. Like water, business will gravitiate to the lowest cost of goods sold. If we subsidized the domestic U.S. supplier to offset cheaper foreign product, the taxpayer pays for the cost of a product..that's you and me. If we put up tarriff's to stop the importation of foreign goods or make them less competitive, the American shopper (see taxpayer above) pays higher prices. If we passed a law to totally prohibit outsourcing of all services, such as "help desks", who do you think will suffer from either extended wait times or possibly even a "charge" for what are now free services...yep...us again. For years the "mantra" among the progressives out there has been to send billions of dollars to third world countries to help them educate their people, create jobs and make for better lives for the poor of the world. Guess what....the poor of Guatamala, Nicaragua, Mexico, Madagascar, and dozens of other countries now successfully compete against American workers. In addition you have India with the largest middle class in the world developing people with the technical skills to manufacture product and perform services made possible by cheap telecommunications that have displaced Americans. China is the biggest of them all at the moment, and I have read that even China is starting to "outsource" to VietNam where labor is cheaper. With all of this, the country is still able to provide jobs for some number over ten million for illegals supposedly doing jobs that Americans won't do...from cutting grass to the building and repair of homes. How many American jobs were lost by the Congress raising the minimum wage in this country. I hired 20% less people in our seasonal business because of the 40% overnight increase in wages! Worse than the impact of several million jobs going over-seas, the "Thank you for your support" democrat so called stimulus Bill is going to result in rampant inflation in a year or two and cost the economy a lot more jobs than people answering the phone in India. I share your concerns...but we are caught in an economic spin downward spiral that we might not come out of for years...given the absense of statesmen among our partisan political elite. corysub, wonderful post! [sm=applause.gif] Well worth reading 2 or 3 times at the very least. Well its obviously to late to change what is coming our way. Maybe we will pass some laws, make some changes and learn from the past so that in 100 years when our country is back to where it used to be, this won't happen again. I would hate to see all the jobs that President Obama creates outsourced! [8\|] We have some really bright, thoughtful and educated kinksters here. Great post!

kiyari -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 10:31:29 PM)
SEVERE DISJOINT: Trade ought be free, but we (humans) are -arlo reference- blued, tattoed and royally screwed. Trade may pass borders freely, but mere humans... nopers, we are PROPERTY of the Royals, akin to geese. Well, but geese aren't required to pay taxes, nor exhibit papers, and are 'protected' from being shot at.

domiguy -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 10:34:12 PM)
Just what we need is to return to our failed isolationist policies of the past. The genie is out of the bottle and only the gullable or naive can suggest that there is a way to put it back. we live in a global economy, end of story. Our economy will go through some changes and dips while the rest of the world catches up. it can't and shouldn't be avoided. Many of the ills we face today are based upon the inequities that exist globally. it is hard to find suicide bombers and "extremists" when one has hope as well as a certain comfort within their lifestyle. I enjoy the benefits of a global economy. Why would I want to buy American? Their highly touted work force is a thing of the past. Those Americans are not as educated as many countries that they compete with. They are fat, lazy and have an overall poor work ethic. They tend to produce crap. Thanks, but no, i'll continue to shop abroad where my dollar is valued.

domiguy -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 10:57:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub How many American jobs were lost by the Congress raising the minimum wage in this country. I hired 20% less people in our seasonal business because of the 40% overnight increase in wages! Worse than the impact of several million jobs going over-seas, the "Thank you for your support" democrat so called stimulus Bill is going to result in rampant inflation in a year or two and cost the economy a lot more jobs than people answering the phone in India. I share your concerns...but we are caught in an economic spin downward spiral that we might not come out of for years...given the absense of statesmen among our partisan political elite. It wasn't a very interesting post. It is obviously written by someone incapable of seeing past a political belief. One read.

MzMia -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 11:03:33 PM)
lol you nut. 2 reads, 2 thumbs up, 2 snaps and a ^5!

domiguy -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 11:09:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia lol you nut. 2 reads, 2 thumbs up, 2 snaps and a ^5! my reward for such a strong post should be measured in the nekkid pictures that you are right now in the process of forwarding to me. Chick, you will be mine.

MzMia -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (1/31/2009 11:10:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia lol you nut. 2 reads, 2 thumbs up, 2 snaps and a ^5! my reward for such a strong post should be measured in the nekkid pictures that you are right now in the process of forwarding to me. Chick, you will be mine. lol DG? are you ready to explore your submissive side?

ALAstella -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (2/1/2009 3:30:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub Like water, business will gravitiate to the lowest cost of goods sold. If we subsidized the domestic U.S. supplier to offset cheaper foreign product, the taxpayer pays for the cost of a product..that's you and me. If we put up tarriff's to stop the importation of foreign goods or make them less competitive, the American shopper (see taxpayer above) pays higher prices. If we passed a law to totally prohibit outsourcing of all services, such as "help desks", who do you think will suffer from either extended wait times or possibly even a "charge" for what are now free services...yep...us again. For years the "mantra" among the progressives out there has been to send billions of dollars to third world countries to help them educate their people, create jobs and make for better lives for the poor of the world. Guess what....the poor of Guatamala, Nicaragua, Mexico, Madagascar, and dozens of other countries now successfully compete against American workers. In addition you have India with the largest middle class in the world developing people with the technical skills to manufacture product and perform services made possible by cheap telecommunications that have displaced Americans. China is the biggest of them all at the moment, and I have read that even China is starting to "outsource" to VietNam where labor is cheaper. With all of this, the country is still able to provide jobs for some number over ten million for illegals supposedly doing jobs that Americans won't do...from cutting grass to the building and repair of homes. How many American jobs were lost by the Congress raising the minimum wage in this country. I hired 20% less people in our seasonal business because of the 40% overnight increase in wages! Worse than the impact of several million jobs going over-seas, the "Thank you for your support" democrat so called stimulus Bill is going to result in rampant inflation in a year or two and cost the economy a lot more jobs than people answering the phone in India. Oh you poor poor business person.. It must be such a burden having to pay wages to people who work for you. How dare those nasty Congress people suggest that people might want a decent income to live off and do something as horrible as introduce a minimum wage. quote: ORIGINAL: corysub I share your concerns...but we are caught in an economic spin downward spiral that we might not come out of for years...given the absense of statesmen among our partisan political elite. Blame the politicians all you like but nothing in this economy is going to improve until businesses stop exploiting people and start paying them decent wages and trading fairly. And that applies just as much in the Third World as it does in the West.

JustDarkness -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (2/1/2009 3:49:52 AM)
to be honest we caused the outsourcing ourselfs. We want everything as cheap as possible...and cheap labour in 3rd world is still way more cheaper then automatization in western countries. Although in east europe work labour is getting more expensive lately, which makes companies going back to their own countries. Besides that many managers are lazy to work hard to keep their products in their own factories. It is eassier to outsource and lay the problems somewhere else. The system of bonusses ruin a lott of companies. There is no need for a long term vision anymore... they just outsource and outsource till the reach their goal (cost reductions, people reductions) and leave. Not caring how the company is left behind.

Real_Trouble -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (2/1/2009 8:52:08 AM)
Wait, you mean there isn't some kind of magical awesomeness barrier around America that prevents us from having to compete with the rest of the world to do things well? Holy fuck. Stop the presses! Seriously, knock it the fuck off, MzMia. You don't like outsourcing? Then raise the standard of living in other nations so that you don't have people living in such abject poverty that $3 a day in a factory represents a massive rise in their earnings power. If you eliminate poverty of that degree, you eliminate the rationale for outsourcing. Likewise, there are plenty of jobs that cannot be outsourced. Would you want your surgeon to be based in India? How about your auto mechanic? Your plumber? Maybe your tax collector? If you keep getting fucked because of outsourcing, take the hint and get a different job; jobs that require a local presence can never be outsourced, and likewise, jobs that are predicated around superior skills in a particular area due to practice or education can never be eliminated without crushing product quality. The bottom line is that Americans have to compete against the rest of the world instead of hide behind a wall of ignorance. Get used to it. It's not a factor of "free trade", it's a factor of most of the rest of the world no longer being in the pre-industrial era.

MasterG2kTR -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (2/1/2009 9:21:04 AM)
The problem with large corporate business these days is that they are no longer satisfied making a *profit, for some perverted reason they all feel that they have to make maximum profit!* In years gone by companies were happy to be profitable after expenses. They looked after their employees paid them a decent wage, and kept the business thriving. I hate to say it but unions are partly to blame for this problem as well (and I won't digress on the dynamics of why, cuz I think most of you already know why). I have said it before and I will say it again, Ross Perot was dead-on when he said "you hear that sucking sound?" in reference to all the jobs leaving the US when one of the first free trade agreements was being enacted. With any luck the Obama administration will do as promised, and tax the snot out of companies who outsource, and reward those who keep there business within US borders!

slaveboy291 -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (2/1/2009 9:25:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GimpinDenial quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia We sat here and let all these companies outsource all of our jobs, now where the hell are we? Looking at Canada...and wishing were were Cunucks Things aren't much better up here. We had a major plant closing in my hometown a few months back.

rulemylife -> RE: Outsourcing Outrage Or Duh where did the jobs go? (2/1/2009 9:27:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia We sat here like dumb asses and let them {President/Congress/Corporations} screw us. I see comments like this often. Basically implying that the government "is us" and that we can really do something to affect change. Sorry for my pessimism, but this just seems a massive shell game. Other than voting for those who say they will offer change, and hoping for the best, there is very little in our control.

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