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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 1/31/2009 7:53:57 PM   
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I think people have to be desperate in order to riot. That's where I'm coming from. Happy, prosperous people don't hit the streets and bust heads and  destroy other people's property. I would hope there is never a need for it...


I don't know about that Sanity.  Every ten years or so, college kids go on a drunken rampage after a ballgame.  We are violent beings, and we are social animals.  When one chimp throws shit at the zoo patrons, the other chimps tend to join in the fun.  When you're unemployed, pissed off, no money, and nothing to do; turning cars over and lighting shit on fire may appear to be an attractive passtime. 

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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 1/31/2009 8:00:51 PM   
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I think people have to be desperate in order to riot.


...increase the difference between the rich and the poor far enough and desperate is exactly what you get........

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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 1/31/2009 8:07:02 PM   
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So, Paris isn't quite Socialist enough yet?

At what point will Parisians be happy?

And what about Moscow.


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I think people have to be desperate in order to riot.


...increase the difference between the rich and the poor far enough and desperate is exactly what you get........


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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 1/31/2009 8:07:46 PM   
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I think people have to be desperate in order to riot.


...increase the difference between the rich and the poor far enough and desperate is exactly what you get........


Exactly. or even the rich and the "middle class". And the distance between us and them is getting close to the desperation point.


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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 1/31/2009 8:13:45 PM   
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At what point will Parisians be happy?



"Happiness" is not a value much prized, in France. They'd much rather be miserable. Why, its doesn't even figure in the Constitution. Imagine that!

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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 1/31/2009 10:28:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's a good idea to protest in the streets.
I'd like to see more of it in the U.S. like during the 60's protesting Vietnam.
Hell, I'd join in; "DOWN WITH THE GLOBAL ECONOMY!"
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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting In Moscow - 1/31/2009 10:36:57 PM   
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"Will the United States be next?"

Nope,......bush is gone.

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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 1/31/2009 10:53:34 PM   
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At what point will Parisians be happy?



"Happiness" is not a value much prized, in France. They'd much rather be miserable. Why, its doesn't even figure in the Constitution. Imagine that!

Well if this gets ahold of the truckers...France is in trouble. The country is so relatively small, they can have it at a standstill in a day.

I have a friend who left France to come here years ago who told me that was the single biggest reason he left.

This all of course begs the question...just who in the hell did anybody think any western govt. was going to bailout...their millionaire patrons, investment and retail bankers...or you ?

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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 1/31/2009 11:00:17 PM   
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That's why God invented the vote, so that we could have peaceful revolutions. Not that I don't believe that firearms are the gold backing the paper (or electronic) ballot - I do. One would hope though that no nation or state were in a state of constant revolution.


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  A little revolution now and then is a good thing, Sanity. 

  If the economy bottoms and stagnates under Obama?  Sure we'll get them here.  We get riots over basketball games.




I think we need a good revolt every ten years or so.
Followed by a nice bbq.





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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 2/1/2009 5:29:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Beer? Non, we are talking France here. I want a plentiful supply of good red wine, lots of cheese and crusty warm bread. Kittin and I will be up on the balcony, drinking, eating cheese and cheering on the madness.

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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 2/1/2009 5:56:07 AM   
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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting In Moscow - 2/1/2009 6:40:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have some interesting quotes made by some of the more ardent protestors in history.

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But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.
John Adams, letter to H. Niles, February 13, 1818
 




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Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.
John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776
 


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A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.
Thomas Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774
 



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Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.
Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 19, 1787
 



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A fondness for power is implanted, in most men, and it is natural to abuse it, when acquired.
Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, February 23, 1775
 


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As riches increase and accumulate in few hands, as luxury prevails in society, virtue will be in a greater degree considered as only a graceful appendage of wealth, and the tendency of things will be to depart from the republican standard. This is the real disposition of human nature; it is what neither the honorable member nor myself can correct. It is a common misfortunate that awaits our State constitution, as well as all others.
Alexander Hamilton, speech to the New York Ratifying Convention, June, 1788
 



These are a few quotes of men that inspired history like no others. Men that many of us, and not just Americans owe a great debt of gratitude.

What would these men think of our efforts in the modern world? Does anyone remember the commericial where the American Indian sat horseback, upon a hill watch a person litter and wept at site of what has become of his home.

I suspect that the men that inspired the quotes contained within this post would not weep, but rather rebel once more and this time against the appathy that has comsumed their proud accomplishment.

Anyway I wish both the French and the Russian people well and good luck.
 
 
 


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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 2/1/2009 7:12:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		The US is having hard times yes, but what we don't need are uncontrollable mobs that would lock down cities and force people who don't want to participate to not be able to go about their day as they wish.  I don't see anything admireable about riots of people seen on television of other countries, i think its sad.  There are other ways to do things and you have to remember a the country is pretty split on a lot of the issues, the war, the money being spent on the buyouts etc.  There are other ways -- and i hate to say this but MOST people don't attempt them, they just whine about things. Which is why things don't change -- people don't take the avenues available to them.  What we would have are the two different sides going at each other and not people marching on the government.  It would end up bloody NOT against the government but against each other.  We have enough violence and BS in this country without adding uncontrollable mobs whose main ideas is violence instead of change interfering with the freedoms of those who don't want to be a part of it.

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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 2/1/2009 7:24:29 AM   
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RE: Rioting In Paris, Rioting On Moscow - 2/1/2009 8:48:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		angel...i am in total agreement with you!

has anyone heard that the people rioting in Moscow are crying for communism?  i heard a news report that the   businesses have terminated almost 20 to 30% percent of their workforce.  i can understand the upset.  it is so sad. 

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