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SirRussellP -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/29/2009 6:54:06 PM)
Arrogance is a mask worn not by those who are self-confident but by those that truly doubt themselves. It becomes obvious when crisis time hits and the arrogant person is paralyzed, the self-confident person spends a moment needed to asses the problem and find a solution. The solution may not be complete or the best but makes things better and the self-confident person begins the solution. Either can be dangerous to those around but the arrogant one's inaction shows no one anything, the self-confident person's action atleast gives hope to the others.

rains -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/29/2009 7:43:46 PM)
Perhaps I am unusual here but I like a certain amount of arrogance in people. To me the difference is self confidence is thinking you are right. Arrogance is knowing you are right.Too much arrogance and it becomes pompous which is not attractive.

PinkMamba -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/29/2009 7:54:44 PM)
quote: Perhaps I am unusual here but I like a certain amount of arrogance in people. To me the difference is self confidence is thinking you are right. Arrogance is knowing you are right.Too much arrogance and it becomes pompous which is not attractive. That does make sense. Hopefully you can catch on to that before it's too late you know?

rains -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/29/2009 7:58:18 PM)
lol I hope I can as well. It is a fine line I think.

SSurrender -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/29/2009 10:38:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtysubK A self confident person can admit their mistakes, allow others a differing opinion, or ask questions when they don't quite understand something. They can do all of these things and remain confident in their own qualities and abilities. An arrogant person believes they are never wrong, their opinion is the only valid opinion, and knows everything. I agree. Arrogance demands, while Self-Confidence commands respect.

Nikitaa -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/29/2009 10:59:04 PM)
Difference is simple. If you like a confident person he have self confidence. If you do not like a confident person he is arrogant jerk.

Cuffkinks -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/29/2009 11:20:42 PM)
Arrogance is thinking you're something great, and telling anyone that will listen. Confidence is knowing you're something great, and not having to say a word. 'Cause if you are the real deal...you don't have to say so.

SpareBoyfriend -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 12:54:02 AM)
Self confidence is knowing your strengths. Arrogance is not knowing your weaknesses, or discounting the strengths of others. The basis for each is subjective, so different observers may apply different labels.

colouredin -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 2:09:41 AM)
FR I tend to be attracted to people that others see as being arrogant. I guess strictly speaking its just very vocal self confidence, but no sorry i have an arrogance fetish. I just love people with that amount of self belief, I find it so erotic. Maybe it isnt really arrogance becuase no one can really like an arrogant person right? (but if I ever introduced many of my ex's to yous arrogant would be the first word used to describe them) shrug Im a freak.

GhostWhoWalks -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 5:19:56 AM)
[:D] "It ain't braggin', if you can do it." ---The Buddha Formerly Known as Cliff

Underumam -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 6:12:42 AM)
Arrogance isn't a desirable thing. When a person's overcome much adversity in life, it's CONFIDENCE. Arrogance and conceit are born out of stupidity. IMHO-nobody here on this earth can claim to be so knowledgeable as to have a right to be arrogant because they assume they know everything. Experience has shown me that more I know- the less I "really" know, as every answer reveals ten more questions. I don't believe we will ever know everything as long as we're in a physical body. I know some here have mistaken confidence for arrogance, and vice-versa..

allthatjaz -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 6:53:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GhostWhoWalks Women have told me they find self-confidence in a man sexy. Self-confidence in a Dominant is mandatory. I've also been told by women that arrogance is a major turn-off. Where do you draw the line, between self-confidence and arrogance? Is one person's arrogance anothers self-confidence? Is either merely in the eye of the beholder? Or are there commonalities, actions or words most of us associate with crossing the line between self-confidence and arrogance (For example, walking down Lovers Lane alone)? Are there gray areas, where said actions or words could be interpreted either way? Inquiring Minds Want To Know these things. [:)] I am replying to your post before reading the responses because I do have that bad tendancy of being influenced! Yes I find self confidence in a man sexy I find arrogance a man turn off but then I lived with an arrogant man for four years so I was attracted to it at one point in my life. He just turned out to be an insecure prick that used his arrogance to impress and keep others at bay. A confident man is someone who is knowledgeable, direct and clear, self assured and can hold his own with anyone. An arrogant man is someone who uses sarcasms, put downs, rudeness and an un-earned demand for respect. There is a very clear difference between the two. Is one persons arrogance anothers self confidence? you have to know both to understand the difference but a good example is that a confident man is never rude just positively assertive. For me there are no grey areas, there is a very clear distinction. Maria

IronBear -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 7:11:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz A confident man is someone who is knowledgeable, direct and clear, self assured and can hold his own with anyone. An arrogant man is someone who uses sarcasms, put downs, rudeness and an un-earned demand for respect. There is a very clear difference between the two. Is one persons arrogance anothers self confidence? you have to know both to understand the difference but a good example is that a confident man is never rude just positively assertive. For me there are no grey areas, there is a very clear distinction. Maria I know a goodly number of men who are arrogant, never rude, with impeccable manners, who know their place in the system and roughly half were born to high positions. Their arrogance is a natural arrogance born of knowing their place, never abusing it but expecting that their “requests” will be met when dealing with those under their sphere of influence. All the men are self confident in themselves and their abilities in what they do. To a man they all have the power of command. None of them are weak people hiding behind a pose of superiority or abuse. People who do not know me but hear/see me commanding our two dogs by voice or hand signals just shrug as hearing/seeing something quite acceptable and common. Yet if they see/hear similar commands to a slave, I will be accused of being an arrogant and abusive bastard. Arrogance, real arrogance is a matter of perception.

allthatjaz -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 7:24:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz A confident man is someone who is knowledgeable, direct and clear, self assured and can hold his own with anyone. An arrogant man is someone who uses sarcasms, put downs, rudeness and an un-earned demand for respect. There is a very clear difference between the two. Is one persons arrogance anothers self confidence? you have to know both to understand the difference but a good example is that a confident man is never rude just positively assertive. For me there are no grey areas, there is a very clear distinction. Maria I know a goodly number of men who are arrogant, never rude, with impeccable manners, who know their place in the system and roughly half were born to high positions. Their arrogance is a natural arrogance born of knowing their place, never abusing it but expecting that their “requests” will be met when dealing with those under their sphere of influence. All the men are self confident in themselves and their abilities in what they do. To a man they all have the power of command. None of them are weak people hiding behind a pose of superiority or abuse. People who do not know me but hear/see me commanding our two dogs by voice or hand signals just shrug as hearing/seeing something quite acceptable and common. Yet if they see/hear similar commands to a slave, I will be accused of being an arrogant and abusive bastard. Arrogance, real arrogance is a matter of perception. Yes it is a matter of perception and yours is obviously different to mine because what you described in the above = confidence and not arrogance, thats unless they hold snoberry (which is not something I have not personally found with people born with the silver spoon) or prejudice which of course is a form of arrogance. We can all play around with words and change them to our own meaning but the words were put in place to mean something specific and arrogance has a cleary negative tone in its description.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 7:30:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gumshoe quote: ORIGINAL: GhostWhoWalks Women have told me they find self-confidence in a man sexy. Self-confidence in a Dominant is mandatory. I've also been told by women that arrogance is a major turn-off. Where do you draw the line, between self-confidence and arrogance? Self-confidence = I'm swell and so are you. Arrogance = I'm swell. Ugh! Who are you? Self-confidence is something you see in a strong individual. Eric Hoffer wrote that rudeness is the weak man's immitation of strength. A fairly good definition of arrogance I say. The difference between self-confidence and arrogance is the same difference between strong and weak. Hmmmmmm...there must be a lot of weak men and women around these days among the younger set. I've talked about it before and I don't want to hijack so I'll just throw a new observation about that in...I wonder how much of that comes from too much time with video games instead of real games where you have to engage with other humans and the object is NOT to kill as many as you can.

Coldwarrior57 -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 8:18:54 AM)
I was accused of being arrogant the other day. I told this person that they were wrong, got a dictionary looked up the word for that person and here is what it said . “Exaggeration of some ones self worth/importance.” I then told this person , the reason I come across to you as arrogant is because I am confident in what I know, understand that there are things I do not know. And when I am in a situation where the topic is something I know nothing about , I STFU. Then I go read and educate myself. I believe a lot of people confuse the 2.

Jeptha -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 9:28:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz I find arrogance a man turn off but then I lived with an arrogant man for four years so I was attracted to it at one point in my life. I've heard women say similar things before. I often have heard something that I translate this way; "When he was kind of a jerk to others, I thought it somehow signified that he was strong, and therefor would put our relationship above others, that he would be a good protector. etc..." But later they realized what I think is closer to the truth: that if he's a jerk with others, he'll eventually be a jerk with you , too (if not worse, like a possessive psycho or something like that.)

Underumam -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 9:43:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: gumshoe quote: ORIGINAL: GhostWhoWalks Women have told me they find self-confidence in a man sexy. Self-confidence in a Dominant is mandatory. I've also been told by women that arrogance is a major turn-off. Where do you draw the line, between self-confidence and arrogance? Self-confidence = I'm swell and so are you. Arrogance = I'm swell. Ugh! Who are you? Self-confidence is something you see in a strong individual. Eric Hoffer wrote that rudeness is the weak man's immitation of strength. A fairly good definition of arrogance I say. The difference between self-confidence and arrogance is the same difference between strong and weak. Hmmmmmm...there must be a lot of weak men and women around these days among the younger set. I've talked about it before and I don't want to hijack so I'll just throw a new observation about that in...I wonder how much of that comes from too much time with video games instead of real games where you have to engage with other humans and the object is NOT to kill as many as you can. I don't think your comment's hijacking at all. It's become a major problem these days as kids set for hours in front a TV or computer. Not only do they loose interactive skills for RT, they never learn to work outdoors, or to engage their bodies in blood sweat or tears. The fruits of this are already rearing their ugly heads. The result of all this inactivity as one matures into adulthood is that young folks are getting a false sense of confidence. One can learn to use a shovel online, but to go outside in the dirtpile is another thing altogether. It's like this with many other facets of life as well. Good point Creative Dominant!

oceanwynds -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 11:32:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: naughtysubK A self confident person can admit their mistakes, allow others a differing opinion, or ask questions when they don't quite understand something. They can do all of these things and remain confident in their own qualities and abilities. An arrogant person believes they are never wrong, their opinion is the only valid opinion, and knows everything. Very well put naughtysub. I will add self-confidence is not a show, it comes from inside. A person just vibrates with it. Arrogance is a show and gets tarnish easy.

Carnae7 -> RE: Self-Confidence vs. Arrogance (1/30/2009 12:04:03 PM)
quote: self-confidence - freedom from doubt; belief in yourself and your abilities This sums up confidence in my opinion. THIS is what is sexy in others. quote: A person who is truly confident in his/her abilities doesn't spend time telling, instead they just show their competence in their actions. The most confident person I ever met was STILL surprising me after numerous months of getting to know each other, with the things he'd done in his life thus far. THIS is sexy!!! Not needing to brag about one's self and what one has accomplished, but keeping these jewels hidden until someone has earned the right to know these things about you... THIS IS SEXY!!! I believe true confidence is recognized by everyone, and never mistaken for arrogance by anyone. It's just an aura that permeates through all the BS floating around out there.

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