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Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:17:21 AM   
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This is an Honest question. I would really like to understand.

I want to know why so many out there are so into online D/s?

What is it that you really get out of submitting to someone on the other side of the country?

I am in a Daddy/ Baby Girl relationship and was in a RT 24/7 M/s relationship for a little over 2 years. I was brought into BDSM by my first Master. I never played online.

In my life I had one long distance relationship with a boyfriend in Colorado (I'm in SLC, Ut) and found it frustrating and fulfilling.

I've heard people talk about online D/s. My usually response is "What's fulfilling about someone on web cam and IM telling you to do your own dishes?" I cant see being happy in a D/s or any deep long term relationship with out the physical contact on a regular basis. You must understand that it's very confusing to me to see subs who are  attached to a online Master/ Mistress who they have served for years and never seen in person.

Then there's the Tops who claim 10+ years experience... then you find out that all that experience is online. Is it really experience if they've never even touched a real flogger or had another human in front of them crying because of misbehavior. Is it real expedience? Or is that top/master/mistress just trying to sound bigger then they are?

I'm just wondering what's appealing for others about online BDSM. Be it just online play or a cyber D/s relationship.

Is it all just a fantisy?

Is it safer for some?

Why do so many ejoy it?

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:31:27 AM   
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I've wondered the same thing. What's the appeal? Real is always better than online.The only reason i could see someone preferring online is if they were already married or committed to someone else and had to keep things quiet.

It's definitely a noodle scratch.

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:35:02 AM   
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Its really a case of if you arent into it fine, dont knock those that are.

It can be rewarding for what you get out of it, its differant than r/l but that isnt instantly a bad thing. For some its because they have partners and cant do anything in real time, for some its nerves, for some its distance, for some well they get off on it. Good for them I say. Do what makes you happy.

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:42:00 AM   
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Because some people get their rocks off on it.
Because some people may be cheating - but then online isn't the only thing that people who cheat can do.
Because for some people it's their only means of being who they want to be.
Because the online intereaction is a fetish in itself - just like erotica or porn for example.
Because sometimes it's the first step.
 
I doubt you will get very many people who have participated in online environments admitting it on cc because it's one of those acts that people look down on.  But it's just as valid for the people participating in it IMOas any other action.  If someone can have penpals and friendships using the written word, I don't see why people cannot have more intimate ones if it's their thing.
 
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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:44:09 AM   
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Ages ago I was yelled at for asking that very question-and was politely told that people seek a connection with a community where they can find one--and as colouredin also said and I was told, YKINMK. There is just no way around it as there are arguments galore pros and cons.  What amazes Me more though is the number of people who participate then come to the boards and cry when it blows up--but that is an argument that can be said for realtime as well. I don't get it but then I don't get ballbusting either.
 


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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:45:33 AM   
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for some it is dipping their big toe into the fantasy pool, before making it to R/T

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:45:34 AM   
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I don't know and to be honest, I've given up trying to figure it all out.

All I do know is that I have zero interest in it and have learned how to, rather quickly, weed out those that want it.

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:47:20 AM   
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Sometimes online can be a very sincere situation where two people meet online and enjoy one another and it progresses from there.  I have seen long term relationships form online, but they each were sincere and for the most part, started out just chatting and being friends.  Having a friend you enjoy can be just about as good as a friend in person.  It all depends on the people.

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:49:38 AM   
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In this day and age? It's there, it's better than nothing and you don't have to do any laundry.

Never tried it, but I would if it came up.

I haven't had much luck with chat in general however, I'm a one on one kinda guy and I always end up feeling I'm standing in line for some reason - maybe if I had three or four different thing going too, but otherwise, I don't have the patience for that.

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:50:06 AM   
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quote:

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I doubt you will get very many people who have participated in online environments admitting it on cc because it's one of those acts that people look down on.  But it's just as valid for the people participating in it IMOas any other action.  If someone can have penpals and friendships using the written word, I don't see why people cannot have more intimate ones if it's their thing.
 
the.dark.

 
Well then at the risk of being ostracised from the wonderful cm community I have done it and loved it. I have had purely online relationships as well as using the net when distance is a big thing. When you live at home in the back of beyond, dont drive etc its wonderful that it is an option.

Its not a replacement for r/l not at all its completely differant, but hell it can be fun and thats what life is about isnt it?

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:53:04 AM   
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I want to know why so many out there are so into online D/s?

 Well, for one thing, it is a whole lot easier to do.  Trying to find someone local who is into the kink you are into can be very disheartening, but when you open your search up to a global community, finding a match is not nearly so daunting.
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What is it that you really get out of submitting to someone on the other side of the country?

 I can't really answer this, as I am the Dominant in those online relationships I have (this is in addition to the M/s relationship I have with my wife).  I would hope that what they get out of it is something they need.  That is what I am trying to give them, after all.  My girls (I have two online) and I work toward common goals as designers in a very social virtual reality community.  I have a strong vision for our future in this community and I am steering us all toward that.  In addition to a sense of artistic satisfaction they get from following my directives in their design work, there is also a sense of family as a member of my virtual household.  I listen to them, ask the right questions, and help them to work out problems that affect them daily.  I have assigned them programs of study and exercise to enhance their personal growth, and I am their disciplinary touchstone, seeing to it that they do not fall into (or back into) bad habits.  I am quite demanding and I do not let them get away with self-deception.  I am their confessor and adviser, their artistic and social director and occasionally, their trainer in other disciplines, some of which have sexual aspects.
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I've heard people talk about online D/s. My usually response is "What's fulfilling about someone on web cam and IM telling you to do your own dishes?" I cant see being happy in a D/s or any deep long term relationship with out the physical contact on a regular basis. You must understand that it's very confusing to me to see subs who are  attached to a online Master/ Mistress who they have served for years and never seen in person.

Some people do not get much physical contact even in relationships which take place on a local level and they are not too proud to take what they can get, even if it is happening in a world that is not accessible to all their senses.  There is a popular philosophical view that even this world is really an illusion.  If that is the case, by your logic, no one should bother to do anything at all.  My profession is the creation of worlds for an audience to experience, both in theater and online.  I can say with absolute confidence that on some level the interaction I have with mine online is just as powerful and intense as anything you might have experienced, and even more so in some ways, as it is more carefully controlled, and crystallized in much the same way that what happens in theater or on film can be a condensed/crystallized version of what happens in the mundane world.
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I'm just wondering what's appealing for others about online BDSM. Be it just online play or a cyber D/s relationship.

 It is appealing because it is a new direction for social interaction, and one which is only just starting to be really explored.  That makes those of us who do it pioneers and knowing that we are helping to shape the future of a global community is a real thrill.  Oh certainly there is more, but that one concept ought to be explanation enough.
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Is it all just a fantasy?

 No.  One of mine, online is preparing to visit my wife and I soon.  And what I expect of them and talk about with them affects their lives in a very real way. 
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Is it safer for some?

 I am sure it is, but it can also cause just as much heartache as any other relationship.  It depends on how you look at it.  Certainly the experiences we create there are sometimes things which would be far too dangerous to attempt outside the virtual world, so I suppose that makes it safer.
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Why do so many enjoy it?

I can only speak to why I enjoy it.  I think I have done that fairly adequately already.

On a side note:  If a person were blind or deaf, would you consider them less able to have a relationship because they are unable to experience it in the same way you do?  What connection can be made online need not be any more limiting.  We as humans certainly cannot use our senses as fully as some other creatures on the planet, and hell, there are most certainty senses other creatures have that we do not.  But we still have relationships with each other despite those limits.  What yo are talking about is really the lack of a sensate element, and a reliance on a level of trust and honesty which many do not have.  Some of us are able to maintain that honesty and trust over the miles between us.  We all do what we can.  If our abilities differ that does not make us lesser or greater.  Just different.



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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 11:55:00 AM   
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Maybe I can help you here. 

Not every "online" relationship is what you think it is.  For example, I'm married and My husband is currently deployed to Korea.  Except for the time that he was home on leave, most of our contact is via chat.  Would you call him an online husband?  Maybe.

My collared sub is home with Me between his military assignments.  I met him while he was stationed here for a year.  After the end of the month, he'll be going to WI, then KS, and then Afghanistan.  During that time, does that make him an online sub?  Probably.

I don't love them any less because they don't sleep under the same roof with Me every night.  My husband's still married to Me and My boy is still collared to Me.  Just because we may be in different places, doesn't change that.


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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 2:25:27 PM   
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I can understand there are numerous situations that may lead one to an online only D/s relationship... It's not something that I am interested in having or care to try to deal with the dynamics of. I simply accept that since I've not experienced, and am not interested in experiencing it, I won't ever fully understand it... easy enough for me to accept...

I do feel that there is a conflict when "onliners" and "real lifers" interact in communities such as CollarMe, since our experiences are worlds apart. Someone with 10 years experience in real time play may not have a clue at understanding online only dynamics... and very much vise versa...

Personally I wish there were separate communities for each 'aspect' of the lifestyle. But controlling the honesty in them would be impossible and prevent either from remaining 'pure'...

The segregation I 'wish for' is not to support any form of discrimination, it is simply because certain things may work well in one approach and not work so well in the other... and all too often these differences cause confusion or mis-guidance (in my opinion).

It is a very touchy topic, I hope I don't get hung for sharing honestly :-D

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 2:36:12 PM   
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I'd like to throw into this fray another view to this subject. In the past 18 months, I have been mentoring another male sub who lives approx 2000 miles from me. We first knew each other when I was a collared slave and living with a Master near Boston and at that time the boy was being considered as another addition to the household. When I returned to Canada, I stayed in contact with the boy and shortly afterwords, our friendship evolved into what it is now; an online mentoring relationship that is heavy on a Daddy/son aspect.

What our relationship is not:
it is not cam 2 cam cyber sex
it is not online domination
it is not me telling him he has to do this, this or this each day or he;'s cyber punished.

What this relationship is:
It is me being a shoulder for him to cry on
It is me lending him advice when he questions his role as a sub male
it is me guiding him in his search for a r/t Sir who will treat him decently and cherish the love he has to share
it is me acting as a brother
it is me helping him change his negative qualities into positives.
it is me being there when he needs someone whom he trusts to discuss his fears knowing that I will not use that against him.

I am not doing this just to get my rocks off. If I need to do that, I have a few friends with benefits and it's just a matter of calling them or they call me and we hook up for a few hours of sex. And for the record, my own search for a r/t dom happens outside of this site.


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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 2:45:34 PM   
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I do feel that there is a conflict when "onliners" and "real lifers" interact in communities such as CollarMe, since our experiences are worlds apart. Someone with 10 years experience in real time play may not have a clue at understanding online only dynamics... and very much vise versa...

Personally I wish there were separate communities for each 'aspect' of the lifestyle. But controlling the honesty in them would be impossible and prevent either from remaining 'pure'...



Wow well I will have to cut myself in half then, I didnt realise part of my experiance was worlds apart from the other, to me its just a fairly complex web, and no you cant segregate because its not actually a community to segregate. I really dont see the issue with it.

We talk about how its not all in the physical and yet people seem to really struggle with the idea of it working in a text format, it does. In fact some of the most important people in regards to my being around here were largely online. I dont feel embaressed about that. And I dont feel that it means I shouldnt be allowed to mingle with real people.

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 3:09:18 PM   
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I think if we just accept for many it is a way for them to have a Ds relationship, as for many it isn't. To call online not a real relationship I am sure many can say no. Then there might be those open to it, but not sure.

Personally, I would not seek an online relationship and i have my reasons for it. However I think if it works for people so be it. Cant knock something if you havent experienced it in a postive way.

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 3:17:45 PM   
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Because some people get their rocks off on it.
Because some people may be cheating - but then online isn't the only thing that people who cheat can do.
Because for some people it's their only means of being who they want to be.
Because the online intereaction is a fetish in itself - just like erotica or porn for example.
Because sometimes it's the first step.
 
I doubt you will get very many people who have participated in online environments admitting it on cc because it's one of those acts that people look down on.  But it's just as valid for the people participating in it IMOas any other action.  If someone can have penpals and friendships using the written word, I don't see why people cannot have more intimate ones if it's their thing.
 
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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 4:06:56 PM   
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I do feel that there is a conflict when "onliners" and "real lifers" interact in communities such as CollarMe, since our experiences are worlds apart. Someone with 10 years experience in real time play may not have a clue at understanding online only dynamics... and very much vise versa...

Personally I wish there were separate communities for each 'aspect' of the lifestyle. But controlling the honesty in them would be impossible and prevent either from remaining 'pure'...



Wow well I will have to cut myself in half then, I didnt realise part of my experiance was worlds apart from the other, to me its just a fairly complex web, and no you cant segregate because its not actually a community to segregate. I really dont see the issue with it.


I shared honestly, I didn't expect everyone to agree... I also felt I put enough respectful disclaimers in there to not offend anyone... Please reread the full post.

It sounds to me you would qualify for both communities... if I got the wish that I acknowledged I could never get... It's up to you if you cut yourself, I'm not into bloodletting.

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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 4:15:17 PM   
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I've had two online relationships. One many years ago with someone I'm still close friends with. He lives on the West coast of Canada and I was on the East coast of the USA when we had our relationship. We ended it after a year because it wasn't enough; when he came to visit for a week we knew it wasn't enough. But it was a good experience for me to have in those early years WHILE I had meatlife experiences as well.

Once more in my life I also find myself in a online dynamic with a man I met on Second Life. We talk on the phone, in chat and on SL. But we know the limits of this relationship, we don't pretend it is more than what it is. He is my sub and friend, he can't possibly be my slave because he can't possibly given me service such a long distance. In that case we started off as two people looking for friends with benefits you might on SL.


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RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. - 1/21/2009 4:23:28 PM   
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I shared honestly, I didn't expect everyone to agree... I also felt I put enough respectful disclaimers in there to not offend anyone... Please reread the full post.

It sounds to me you would qualify for both communities... if I got the wish that I acknowledged I could never get... It's up to you if you cut yourself, I'm not into bloodletting.


I did read it all. But I think you have recognised a fundemental flaw with your wish, I would qualify for both. As would oh well most people on here because its the internet. If people only want to interact in the real world they have that option they dont have to join online sites such as these to make connections

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