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BondageBarbieX -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/21/2009 5:37:52 PM)

I am not into it and would not consider it.I used to play with some online Dom's while I was looking but that was all for fun..not serious... and I would never take an online collar.




Knite064 -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/21/2009 5:50:23 PM)

I used to visit the msn chatrooms and whilst 90 percent was very boring i did enjoy the debates that would sometimes arise.
I did meet a lady in one of those chatrooms but when it was clear that there was a definate mutual chemistry we really only ended up talking on messneger until finally we chose to meet up.such  a strange experience as because we had both been honest and just ourselves the first meeting was like meeting an old friend id known for years.

That relationship went onto last for three years and ive always thought of her as someone i met inside out(knowing the mind long before I met the body in person and theres no doubt my feelings for her were very strong and real before we met and grew stronger after we hooked up offline.
The negative is in all this was that we both wanted to be together but her commitments in her home area and my commitments here eventually took there toll and we split.
For the above reason id avoid another meeting via online chat...unless of course chats could be categorised so that people lived within 50 miles of me or i of them[8|]




surelyujest71 -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/21/2009 6:04:51 PM)

Okay...

I've been involved in online relationships, before.  Vanilla, mainly, because I didn't know the full story of who I am from early on, as so many BDSM'ers seem to claim.  And yes, they were often fulfilling relationships, at least (usually) until a face-to-face meeting.  As one in this thread mentioned, it's like getting to know someone inside out - mind first, then body.  Usually, these relationships will break up because either someone tells a lie which finally comes out, or the distance finally gets to be too much.

On the BDSM side of things, I first got involved while playing in SecondLife.  There are a lot of nutcases in the D/s community, there... fantasies of being put thru machines that would IRL (or in R/T) be quite dangerous or deadly.  But, there are also those who will truly devote themselves to you.  Much of the online D/s is erotic in nature... have them to in R/T what you tell them to, and trust it's being done properly.  There can be some fulfillment.  But, as you can see, it's not enough for me:  I require a real girl to give herself to me, not simply someone who gives themselves as pixels on a screen.  I have the intelligence to recognize the difference between fantasy toys, and R/T safety.  Honestly, while online can be fun... it's not where I'd want to live. 

So, I'm here.  The town I live in is too small to have a BDSM community of it's own, but the world is a pretty big place.  AND... even if the person I find on here turns out to live in Europe, or somewhere else in the world.... I can be pretty sure she wants something Real, as opposed to pixels on a screen.  I wouldn't collar someone through the computer, anyway.  I need to feel the leather in my hand as I wrap it around her neck, fixing the buckle in place.






Sexycelticlady -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/21/2009 8:50:57 PM)

This is an Honest question. I would really like to understand.

I want to know why so many out there are so into online D/s?

 
Online is just as real as offline, for the simple reason that D/s, for me, is all about the mental aspect and connection made between the Dom and sub. Does it matter if your instruction appears as words on a screen compared to verbal words or via a phone? Of course,  physicality cannot be conveyed but even then a Dom can instruct the sub to masturbate a certain way, or a certain number of times or a huge variation.

What is it that you really get out of submitting to someone on the other side of the country?

I get more out of submitting to my Sir online than I have with casual physical bottoming. Was it better when we met up? yes, but we had already established a very sound relationship online, and while fun to physically interact with each other, the main aspect of our relationship and my submission to Him is still in place even when we are not physically in the same room with each other.

I am in a Daddy/ Baby Girl relationship and was in a RT 24/7 M/s relationship for a little over 2 years. I was brought into BDSM by my first Master. I never played online.

In my life I had one long distance relationship with a boyfriend in Colorado (I'm in SLC, Ut) and found it frustrating and fulfilling.

I've heard people talk about online D/s. My usually response is "What's fulfilling about someone on web cam and IM telling you to do your own dishes?" I cant see being happy in a D/s or any deep long term relationship with out the physical contact on a regular basis. You must understand that it's very confusing to me to see subs who are  attached to a online Master/ Mistress who they have served for years and never seen in person.

Again, it is the mental connection. What is fullfilling about somene standing in a room and telling you to do your own dishes? It is the relationship between two individuals that matters.

Then there's the Tops who claim 10+ years experience... then you find out that all that experience is online. Is it really experience if they've never even touched a real flogger or had another human in front of them crying because of misbehavior. Is it real expedience? Or is that top/master/mistress just trying to sound bigger then they are?

Yes, it is very real experience. The power exchange does not depend on how skilled someone is with a flogger.

I'm just wondering what's appealing for others about online BDSM. Be it just online play or a cyber D/s relationship.

Is it all just a fantisy?

Not at all. The friendships I have had online have been extremely intense. People can write more intimate things than perhaps they could explain in person. The key thing is honesty, but that goes for all relationships. It is easier to lie online, but the lies get caught eventually just the same. Losing some of my online relationships has been incredibly hard deal with, more so than some real life friendships.  As long as real emotions are involved it is real. It is an interaction with another human.

Is it safer for some?

That depends on what you are doing and how skilled the Dom is, as with physical play. My Sir pushed some of my triggers without realising at one stage, that related to abuse I had as a child. I had a panic attack and started to hyperventilate. Sir was there, online, and He saw immediately what was wrong and spent a lot of time brining me back and watching over me afterwards. There have been times when he has got me to push my physical limits and then watched me resting afterwards via cam, to ensure I am alright. Aftercare is just as important although it does take on a different form.  

Why do so many ejoy it?

I hope I have already answered this question in my responses above. Yes, I have met my Sir, after several months of online training (and over the phone etc.). He does not live too far away but he has had to go elsewhere to visit family for a while and so we are back to interacting online. I still enjoy my interaction with Him. There are problems, but there are with any type of relationship. This one has been very good for me for several reasons.
 




DesFIP -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 4:16:32 AM)

By that logic, anyone who is married to someone in the military and gets deployed for a year should divorce the moment their partner is sent overseas. For some people the connection of minds is paramount.

The fact that you can't make a LDR work reflects on you, not on anyone else.




sparkyRBF -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 5:28:54 AM)

i don't understand online only relationships about as much as i understand the Daddy/babygirl relationship. 

Thankfully,  I know neither relationship is for me so i don't worry about them.  Have enough other stuff to do.




colouredin -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 6:10:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

By that logic, anyone who is married to someone in the military and gets deployed for a year should divorce the moment their partner is sent overseas. For some people the connection of minds is paramount.

The fact that you can't make a LDR work reflects on you, not on anyone else.


Urm was that to me DesFIP?




subtee -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 7:16:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: beargonewild

~FR~

I'd like to throw into this fray another view to this subject. In the past 18 months, I have been mentoring another male sub who lives approx 2000 miles from me. We first knew each other when I was a collared slave and living with a Master near Boston and at that time the boy was being considered as another addition to the household. When I returned to Canada, I stayed in contact with the boy and shortly afterwords, our friendship evolved into what it is now; an online mentoring relationship that is heavy on a Daddy/son aspect.

What our relationship is not:
it is not cam 2 cam cyber sex
it is not online domination
it is not me telling him he has to do this, this or this each day or he;'s cyber punished.

What this relationship is:
It is me being a shoulder for him to cry on
It is me lending him advice when he questions his role as a sub male
it is me guiding him in his search for a r/t Sir who will treat him decently and cherish the love he has to share
it is me acting as a brother
it is me helping him change his negative qualities into positives.
it is me being there when he needs someone whom he trusts to discuss his fears knowing that I will not use that against him.

I am not doing this just to get my rocks off. If I need to do that, I have a few friends with benefits and it's just a matter of calling them or they call me and we hook up for a few hours of sex. And for the record, my own search for a r/t dom happens outside of this site.


Bear, this is awesome. Lucky boy!
I hope it is very gratifying for you too, as it seems to be.




YoursMistress -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 7:29:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

Wow well I will have to cut myself in half then, I didnt realise part of my experiance was worlds apart from the other, to me its just a fairly complex web, and no you cant segregate because its not actually a community to segregate. I really dont see the issue with it.

We talk about how its not all in the physical and yet people seem to really struggle with the idea of it working in a text format, it does. In fact some of the most important people in regards to my being around here were largely online. I dont feel embaressed about that. And I dont feel that it means I shouldnt be allowed to mingle with real people.


I don't think that Mr. Case meant that one need "pick sides" here.  I believe (based upon my own experience) that there is a large gap between RT experience and not, and that it's quite difficult for those with online experience only to really understand or appreciate the RT experience.  This has been very true for me.  I suppose it's actually easier for someone with RT experience to imagine an online only relationship as being less than, by the excision of the physical contact and communication and wonder, "Why bother?"

yours




LaTigresse -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 7:50:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

By that logic, anyone who is married to someone in the military and gets deployed for a year should divorce the moment their partner is sent overseas. For some people the connection of minds is paramount.

The fact that you can't make a LDR work reflects on you, not on anyone else.


To me, they are very much different.

A military relationship almost always begins in person, regardless of where the military service takes them. Spending time together, getting to know one another, holding hands, meeting family and friends. Getting to know most of the facets of that person's life. Smelly farts, toothpaste tube messes and all. Lady Pact, while seperated from her S.O.'s knows the touch of their hands, the feel of their cheeks, their scent. She also has an idea of beginning and ending of the seperation. She has a history with them that goes far beyond their communication while being physically apart. A military relationship, shares a home, the one at home can walk around that home, touching a favourite shirt, sniffing a left bottle of cologne, sit in a favourite chair or sleep with a pillow in a shared bed. Spend time with shared family and friends and talk about past times and future plans together.

An online relationship is to me, much like beginning one with a prisoner doing life without any chance of parole. So little shared, nothing but that distant two dimensional, limited connection. No potential to fill it up. Just a long lonely line of nights spent wishing. All contact limited by that barrier. No chance to make it more.

I don't want those limitations. I want the full messy experience. Anything else is less, shallow, empty and completely unfullfilling.......to me. No, I cannot imagine why anyone would want to take that route. Not when I've had the full course meal. Even the messiest ending relationship of my life was something I could grab ahold of and sink my teeth into. It was a full buffet. It had all the senses involved fully. There is no way I will ever go back to limiting myself to only one or two and lie to myself that it is enough. Because regardless of the potential of the internet and phones, the written word, they are not enough to fullfill me fully. Life is far to short for me to cheat myself out of the full buffet.





MommyFiercest -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 7:57:41 AM)

As a professional "online domme" , I think for many the appeal is the anonymity and safety that the net allows. I agree, with the person who said that many online players are trying to keep their "dark side" on the DL from a partner or the rest of the world. I myself could not, would not have a D/s relationship based only on internet interactions though I have met four of my long term partners online. So while the relationship started online it quickly moved into RT. We talked about our kinks online breifly but just before we got to the good stuff!




BalletBob -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 6:04:41 PM)

This question has been around on CM for a very long time, and I have answerd it before too. It is mostly because there aren't enough Doms/Dommes/Tops to go around. And another reason, some aren't into 24/7 or just like to have a little FUN, without getting into a relationship.

I had some, and 1 led to RT Sessions. That has ended some years ago, because MADAM didn't have the time anymore, but the few Females I wrote or chatted to online, also had fun, as well as I did. After all, I am not happy unless I can make a Female Happy, either by dressing or doing something to me, that they get some FUN out of.

Missing it, BalletBob




eponastar -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 6:35:52 PM)

I have always wondered why I get these emails begging for an online relationship. Frankly I have better things to do than be bored out of my mind watching some guy put on a pair of panties on his web cam. Like pulling the hair out of my shower drain......... I firmly believe that most of the people who are only in online relationships need to grow a pair and get out their. Note I said MOST. Some are restricted to an online because of work, school, ect. And find that an online relationship is more fufilling and what they are able to handle at that time. But the other 90% are looking for wanker material.

Experience is 50% knowledge and 50% experience. You never really learn, until you are pushing a submissive into sub space....




LadyPact -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 8:04:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

By that logic, anyone who is married to someone in the military and gets deployed for a year should divorce the moment their partner is sent overseas. For some people the connection of minds is paramount.

The fact that you can't make a LDR work reflects on you, not on anyone else.
Deleted so I can quote the correct post which includes two comments.




LadyPact -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 8:32:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

By that logic, anyone who is married to someone in the military and gets deployed for a year should divorce the moment their partner is sent overseas. For some people the connection of minds is paramount.

The fact that you can't make a LDR work reflects on you, not on anyone else.


To me, they are very much different.

A military relationship almost always begins in person, regardless of where the military service takes them. Spending time together, getting to know one another, holding hands, meeting family and friends. Getting to know most of the facets of that person's life. Smelly farts, toothpaste tube messes and all. Lady Pact, while seperated from her S.O.'s knows the touch of their hands, the feel of their cheeks, their scent. She also has an idea of beginning and ending of the seperation. She has a history with them that goes far beyond their communication while being physically apart. A military relationship, shares a home, the one at home can walk around that home, touching a favourite shirt, sniffing a left bottle of cologne, sit in a favourite chair or sleep with a pillow in a shared bed. Spend time with shared family and friends and talk about past times and future plans together.

An online relationship is to me, much like beginning one with a prisoner doing life without any chance of parole. So little shared, nothing but that distant two dimensional, limited connection. No potential to fill it up. Just a long lonely line of nights spent wishing. All contact limited by that barrier. No chance to make it more.

I don't want those limitations. I want the full messy experience. Anything else is less, shallow, empty and completely unfullfilling.......to me. No, I cannot imagine why anyone would want to take that route. Not when I've had the full course meal. Even the messiest ending relationship of my life was something I could grab ahold of and sink my teeth into. It was a full buffet. It had all the senses involved fully. There is no way I will ever go back to limiting myself to only one or two and lie to myself that it is enough. Because regardless of the potential of the internet and phones, the written word, they are not enough to fullfill me fully. Life is far to short for me to cheat myself out of the full buffet.



First, I want to thank both of you for your comments.  This is the crux of the matter that I pointed out with My own post.  There is more than one type of online relationship and how anyone is going to answer the question is going to depend on what kind it really is.  There's everything from never met face to face and most likely never will, to those of us who are separated by circumstance.

Let's not forget that there isn't just the two ends of the spectrum.  There are a lot of things in-between.  There are some who are primarily on line, but have met.  Some who see each other maybe once a month and others who may see each other a few times a year.  Where's the line?

What about those who do have an end date, as LaT mentions?  Does it qualify if it's less than a year?  What about more than a year?  What if it's based on circumstances, rather than time specific?

Tonight, My sub is sleeping under My roof.  In times to come, there will be a long period where he won't.  All of the things you said, LaT, about the times he doesn't are very true.  Just because I'm willing to wait for that end date, doesn't mean it doesn't suck at times that all I might have is the written word or a phone call.  There are times I sleep in the t-shirt.  I definitely hold on to the pillow.  It's not a bowl of cherries all of the time.

It's still worth it.




DavanKael -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 8:47:07 PM)

When I first got onto the 'net in 1996, I amused myself in chat rooms a good bit, kinky and otherwise.  My ex- was deployed to Japan for a year and I wasn't with anyone else during that time.  Also, it was novel, different, safe.  Interactive masturbation, a decent mind-f*ck if one was lucky.  < shrug >  Ultimately, a rather short-lived novelty; knocked it off once I had a flesh and blood person I loved home with me.  :> 
Had a relationship with a person who had been a friend for nearly a decade before we moved to being 'more than friends'.  Many miles were typically between us geographically speaking, so we indulged some incredible fantasy, depthful conversation, and other genuine, real relational interactions on-line.  The ability to envision his face and to hear his voice in my head, to understand the nuances of how he'd be interacting with me in real life via our long-term friendship was pivotal.  It was being creative and making the best of distance between us.  It was fabulous!  Would I have preferred he be around in person.  Sure!  But, you work with what you've got when you love a person. 
That's the extent of my on-line D/s play and/or relationships. 
Davan




Godhand502 -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/22/2009 9:17:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shylahgirl

"What's fulfilling about someone on web cam and IM telling you to do your own dishes?"




Not a damn thing by my reckoning!

From either end....




slavealani -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/23/2009 7:43:45 AM)



This is an Honest question. I would really like to understand.

I want to know why so many out there are so into online D/s?

i can only answer for myself here, but i serve a Gorean Master online because my One is not into it. He knows about Gor, but thinks it's poorly written rubbish. LOL! He doesn't understand my fascination with it, but is happy that i have an outlet somewhere else where he can still keep an eye on me (at home on the living room sofa)

What is it that you really get out of submitting to someone on the other side of the country?

i've actually learned a lot about patience and "holding my tongue" something i have a VERY VERY VERY bad problem with in R/L. Sometimes my Master will be having a conversation and i just want to jump in and state my opinion, but then i have to remember my place. This same mentality has began to permeate my real life as well as sometimes i want to make a comment on the shaving foam in the bathroom sink but then i remember that i am the slave and it is not my place to correct him, but to correct the shaving foam being in the sink.

I've heard people talk about online D/s. My usually response is "What's fulfilling about someone on web cam and IM telling you to do your own dishes?" I cant see being happy in a D/s or any deep long term relationship with out the physical contact on a regular basis. You must understand that it's very confusing to me to see subs who are  attached to a online Master/ Mistress who they have served for years and never seen in person.

i completely understand this, especially for people that are looking for real relationships out of their D/s encounters online. i, on the other hand, am not. i like to play the role, learn the mannerisms, etiquette and culture, and then transfer that over to my relationship with my One.

Then there's the Tops who claim 10+ years experience... then you find out that all that experience is online. Is it really experience if they've never even touched a real flogger or had another human in front of them crying because of misbehavior. Is it real expedience? Or is that top/master/mistress just trying to sound bigger then they are?

i don't consider online experience to be real BDSM experience.

Is it all just a fantisy?

i think most of online (especially SL)  BDSM is based on fantasy.

Is it safer for some?

For me and for anyone involved. i can be a kajira online and to my One, but some random jerk off thinking i'm going to kneel to him so he can jab his pot belly in my face has another thing coming...that thing being my fist in his crotch. Even though we have a section for Gor on this forum and i'm sure they're all very knowledgable, not everyone is going to be as studious and learned as they are. i have a fear of running into men who think they can molest me because i'm a kajira, who have no training in rope play attempting to tie me up and injuring me in the process, who think they don't have to learn anything because they're the Master and are above learning basic BDSM practices, and will feel that i'd have no right to speak up just because i am a slave. *shrug* 

It is safer for me in the long run I think. my One knows i play online and has no problem with it because in the end, i still curl up next to him in bed each night, take his boots and ACU's off when he gets home from work, and cook his meals.







pixidustpet -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/23/2009 9:11:44 AM)

~fast reply~

i cant answer for  anyone else, only myself.  i have a 24/7 relationship with  TheEngineer.  we've been living together more than 7 months, married one month.  we knew each other for 8 and a half years before he moved me here.

i have an online relationship with Daddy...until i moved here from florida, we had a distance relationship and were only able to see each other every other month.  now, we maintain the relationship as more friends than D/s, but he still says i am his submissive even though the chances of us seeing each other in person again are slim.  but he is still important to me, so we still email and chat online.

yes, they know about one another.  and they both respect the places the other has in my heart. 

online can be a nice stopgap (in my opinion) between in person visits, or as a way to stay connected when you are long distance to one another.  in *my* opinion, its nowhere near a substitute for being in person...but that's my opinion, and someone else might have it work just fine for them.

kitten




Coupleofwhats -> RE: Honest Questions About Online D/s and BDSM. (1/23/2009 9:40:08 AM)

Depends on how much of your BDSM/Kink is based in fantasy.
I don't really get into all the "Bow down, you're my slave!!!" stuff... so online play seems pretty ridiculous to me.

But I could see it being appealing to people for whom it's all about being outside of reality. All that stuff is just as fake in person, so why not do it online?
*Shrug*




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