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the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 1:06:56 AM   
steviemichael


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Status: offline 		The internet is  quite a dangerous place so my grovenment says and plans to make it safe
and a crackdown on offensive and harmful online activity to be launched in the New Year,
So the question is this when safe is safe ? And when should we be so grateful that the powers to be are mirco protecting us?



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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 2:27:56 AM   
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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 5:16:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The net sure IS a dangerious place. Dangerious for any government that is. All sorts of dangerious ideas and information can be disseminated and that is not good. Why it might actually get some of the sheeple thinking and they will wake up and realize how dangerious there loving "Big Brother" really is.





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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 5:33:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		True, the internet is a dangerous place for governments, perhaps also an honest place. Honest in that governments actually get to read the sentiment of the people they are elected to govern, without somone putting any spin on it.

But for the rest of us, the world is a dangerous place, what with governments constantly causing problems the world over. The internet is a place where, we, the commoner, can rant at the doings of governments.

Maybe the reality is those in control fear the education we can share beyond their control.


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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 5:44:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		people that want it safe for underaged floor me.

people that expect to never be offended floor me.

...I own a few gay adult yahoo groups.  at times that I put out a non smut post, the guys get snappy.  how dare i interrupt the porn. 

the net is controlled enough.  it is already in trouble based on file sharing.  if one cant share a file, then what is there to share??  also if no new pages were posted as of right now, the net would collapse with in 6 months.  no one wants outdated info.
think about that.  much content is user generated, not content for profit. (copywrite for money)    so stop the posting, do that to an extreme, it kills the reason why people come to the internet.  to see what is new... not old.... and not what the grid says is new. what average folks say.

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 5:51:55 AM   
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Just ask the Chinese.  Oh wait, most can't, many mail servers and net sites are government blocked lol.

Australia's 'Internet Filter' Plan Irks Web Users:
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_30452.aspx



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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 6:57:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		And any of you guys seriously believe that the Government doesn't know what's going on on the Internet? What was the Internet before it became the Internet?

The Internet is basically a vast network of computers connected by broadband, cable and modem connections which operate different programs and software with varying degrees of multimedia capabilities. In itself the Internet isn't dangerous at all, it's just a useful tool for passing on, exchanging and distributing information between people.

It's the people who make it dangerous, and in this respect it's not much different from the street outside where you live. Anywhere where you're going to have people coming together is going to have problems.

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 7:36:43 AM   
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The internet isn't half as dangerous as the outernet. As far as I can tell a knife has never leaped out of a screen and stabbed someone. Governments do such amusingly cute things for us, ahhh they’ve made a new law to protect us all.

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 7:51:14 AM   
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The internet isn't half as dangerous as the outernet. As far as I can tell a knife has never leaped out of a screen and stabbed someone. Governments do such amusingly cute things for us, ahhh they’ve made a new law to protect us all.



The "Powers That Be" aren't really concerned as to weather or not someone gets robbed, raped, stabbed, shot, murdered or anything else some "upstanding" citizens does for amusement or a living. What they ARE concerned about is the flow of information. By controlling what information you recieve [or not] and share then it is so much easier to control you AND keep there own misdeeds from the public. THAT is the underlying reason the want to regulate its content. To weed out dangerious (to them) content.



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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:02:08 AM   
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Not only would the powers that be like to "protect us from the Internet" (the Drudge Report), but they also have their sights set on protecting us from talk radio, as well.

Ever heard of the "Fairness Doctrine?

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The "Powers That Be" aren't really concerned as to weather or not someone gets robbed, raped, stabbed, shot, murdered or anything else some "upstanding" citizens does for amusement or a living. What they ARE concerned about is the flow of information. By controlling what information you recieve [or not] and share then it is so much easier to control you AND keep there own misdeeds from the public. THAT is the underlying reason the want to regulate its content. To weed out dangerious (to them) content.




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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:05:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Humm but isn't it just as bad to only be able to listen to the opinions of radio sponsored by big business? Shouldn’t there be some restriction on political broadcasting and fair access to the mindless drones for all political parties?

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:15:48 AM   
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Anyplace where thoughts can be exchanged openly is "dangerous" to those who require ignorance and alternative opinion to maintain power. More dangerous than the internet is the trend of more and more people rationalizing that censorship and restrictive access has the 'good intent' of 'protecting the children' or 'fair'. Somehow the concept of an 'off' key is missed. Worse, personal responsibility and accountability is willingly abdicated to 'all knowing', 'benevolent', 'nanny' State; forgetting that the motivation is derived from an agenda based special interest.

Sure, some people will always thing outside the box. The goal is get that number as low as possible while boxing in and programing the majority to accept a 'one true' government approved and monitored 'way'. When you don't appreciate that you have been boxed in, the concept of outside the box thinking isn't possible and compliance is and have no ability contemplate and alternative.

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:17:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bondagelover1950

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The internet isn't half as dangerous as the outernet. As far as I can tell a knife has never leaped out of a screen and stabbed someone. Governments do such amusingly cute things for us, ahhh they’ve made a new law to protect us all.



The "Powers That Be" aren't really concerned as to weather or not someone gets robbed, raped, stabbed, shot, murdered or anything else some "upstanding" citizens does for amusement or a living. What they ARE concerned about is the flow of information. By controlling what information you recieve [or not] and share then it is so much easier to control you AND keep there own misdeeds from the public. THAT is the underlying reason the want to regulate its content. To weed out dangerious (to them) content.




"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan was right about "the nine most dangerous words."
"The government" exists to do the bidding of The People.
The people within the government serve at our pleasure.
Senators and congressmen shouldn't be preaching to their constituents they should be *asking them* (us) what we want done.
Those are not "leadership" positions they are "messenger" positions.
Sometimes The People out here forget that we are the Management and those who serve (not lead) are the hired help.
When you contact your congressman or senators office about an issue you don't "ask" you "tell" them what you want them to do about that issue.

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:18:29 AM   
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So what are you saying. That government regulation of our information is good, so long as it's only regulating those with whom you personally disagree?

Left wingers are free to buy radio stations, and there are plenty on the Left who have the money. The only reason the Liberals in the United States Congress want our government to nuke American talk radio is that they've tried, and they've found that they can't succeed there because no one is willing to listen to them. "Air America" is a dismal failure, therefore the only answer is to "regulate" the rights of Right wingers... to talk and be heard.

Edited to add, the Left has almost a full monopoly on print and television media... and those are sponsored by "Big Business" as well. Yet I hear no call for government regulations against their content!

Why is that.


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Humm but isn't it just as bad to only be able to listen to the opinions of radio sponsored by big business? Shouldn’t there be some restriction on political broadcasting and fair access to the mindless drones for all political parties?






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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:27:20 AM   
Raechard


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Status: offline 		The reason I've never believed in the conspiracy theories about controlling political thought is the fact governments required people to do the usual dance on voting day to maintain the illusion of democracy. Voter apathy is getting so bad many elected governments around the globe barely have the mandate they need to legitimately be in power. Does anyone think governments want to reduce voter turn-out by reducing political opinions? They need turn-out for legitimacy and if there is this conspiracy of controlling the media they are shooting themselves in the foot because no one is inspired to go and vote if they think they are subconsciously being urged to vote a particular way. People like to think they can think for themselves so if they start thinking all the opinions and options for government are the same they'll think for themselves ways to set up alternative opposition and oust such governments of limited choice. Usually these alternatives get initially labelled terrorist organisations such as the MDC have been.

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:32:30 AM   
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People like to think they can think for themselves so if they start thinking all the opinions and options for government are the same they'll think for themselves ways to set up alternative opposition and oust such governments of limited choice. Usually these alternatives get initially labelled terrorist organisations such as the MDC have been.


That is why they (government) have in place 'Operation Cyber-Storm" to keep track of just who is political and raises questions (through blogging and other postings, yes, even here).  Maybe someday they will scoop us/them up in the middle of the night into big black trucks.   

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:38:52 AM   
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So what are you saying. That government regulation of our information is good, so long as it's only regulating those with whom you personally disagree?

Left wingers are free to buy radio stations, and there are plenty on the Left who have the money. The only reason the Libs in the United States Congress want our government to nuke talk radio is because they can't succeed there, no one will listen to them.

Air America is a dismal failure, therefore the only answer is to "regulate" the rights of Right wingers... to talk and be heard.

Government regulation would be working if people didn't think in terms of left and right broadcasting. They should instead be thinking: 'right I've heard all sides of the debate on this single issue and I believe this...' You can't do that if you are being given biased opinion and hearing guests being given loaded questions. There should be some attempt for a fair debate and in such a case the media outlet involved would rather wear the label of middle than left or right. Why any media organisation would be happy with a right of left label is beyond my understanding, they may as well be saying “come and listen to us for some free brainwashing.”

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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 8:51:31 AM   
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So you want government to decide what the middle is, and to enforce that everything be discussed fairly?




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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 9:00:49 AM   
Raechard


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Edited to add, the Left has almost a full monopoly on print and television media... and those are sponsored by "Big Business" as well. Yet I hear no call for government regulations against their content!


What type of big business? From my observation it's usually banks, electronics, internet/communications companies.
 
Advertising on TV sticks in the mind whilst advertising on radio doesn't so much, these companies advertise in these different mediums for different reasons would be my guess. One medium dictates to the advertisers and extorts large sums from them for visual advertising because the demand is there they can't make demands on the medium. Radio on the other hand isn't so well funded through advertising so those that do advertise have greater power over the medium because they the advertisers are in demand.


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RE: the internet as quite a dangerous place - 12/27/2008 9:05:01 AM   
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So you want government to decide what the middle is, and to enforce that everything be discussed fairly?

 
I'd have no issues with a bi-partisan committee made up of equal numbers of members from each side setting out guidelines for equal air-time, would you?

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