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History repeats itself - 12/27/2008 12:56:12 AM   
steviemichael


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Status: offline 		History repeats itself i wonder how long it would be before the old shit would hit a new fan !
censorship of the internet with a rateing system for websites
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7800846.stm
Internet sites could be given cinema-style age ratings as part of a Government crackdown on offensive and harmful online activity to be launched in the New Year, the Culture Secretary says. same chit with the same old chit reasons which the censorship system with the so called 'video nasties' of the 80s and dont it make you feel safe at home in front of your pc that so called professional people are looking out for you ? NO  maybe  these people would like to clean my arse when i chit oops  can i say that since i do have freedom of speech .



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RE: History repeats itself - 12/27/2008 5:37:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		In years past, I have been kicked out of more libraries then everyone I know.

Even if I was good, I had no control over what the other person said.  A page in particular, my yahoo, which I had yahoo groups on.   After a few years of roaming the libraries. a dude from Harrisburg gave me a ibm 386.  I got alot of good use out of it.  until the lightening storm, and the banging the keyboard an email that could not wait. lol.

from there I bought a desktop at Sears on clearance.  That worked many years.  so then I kept blowing hard drives and ebay is my friend.

The current computer, a laptop, was $298 at walmart...a sale that had been online only. :-)   

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/27/2008 2:41:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		We vote for these people...why do we do that?  Censorship puts more power in the hands of the bureacracy....already
full of itself.  I hate any sort of censorship...what gives people the right to tell me what I should or shouldn't say, do, listen
too or look at!
I'm not sure it will ever change... it's bigger than any of us could ever fathom...

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/27/2008 3:04:02 PM   
JustDarkness


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Status: offline 		the rating system is already very old. Rating doesn't need to be censorship..it can be guiding..or seen as advise.
I don't mind it with kids of 6 years old strolling the web

(yahoo search scan is an example where it is already used...soem antivirus software have a similar system with their web plugins...)

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/27/2008 4:15:13 PM   
Raechard


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A spokesman for internet service provider BT said the company would need to see the details of Mr Burnham's plan before making any further comment.

 
Was that just to fill space?

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/27/2008 4:26:29 PM   
Raechard


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Status: offline 		Well you can't get your dick out and wave it about in public so why did anyone think government was going to treat the web any differently once they got their hooks into it? This is progress, less bandwidth for porn and more for commercialism such as retail sites etc.
 
The only regret I have from my early days of using the internet is I invested too much of my time on porn and not enough on conspiracy theory sites. I could have been ahead of the game damnit.

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/27/2008 4:54:01 PM   
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. a dude from Harrisburg gave me a ibm 386. 

Ahh a 386 those were the days was it a 386 SX or DX (DX having built in math co-processor)? I don't know what a math co-processor is for as the SX did maths fine using the windows calculator as far as I could tell.
 
Them were the days when all you needed to pirate music off of the radio was a Cliff Richards cassette and sellotape.


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RE: History repeats itself - 12/28/2008 2:07:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raechard

How about this for useless journalism:
 
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A spokesman for internet service provider BT said the company would need to see the details of Mr Burnham's plan before making any further comment.

 
Was that just to fill space?


is that what they call dis-information?

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/28/2008 2:21:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why is a ratings system necessarily bad?  They aren't censoring anything, they're just adding disclaimers. Yes, sites with explicit ratings, like this one, would get less traffic, but that's probably a good thing (not for the site administrators obviously, because that would mean less ad revenue, but it would also mean fewer kids would have access to it, and there would be less likelyhood of someone accidently ending up at this site and seeing someone they know on the front page. I know that sounds far fetched, but I know of at least one case where that's happened here haha)

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/28/2008 2:39:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		It could be worse...  The Australian gov is trying to build a firewall for the entire country with some sort of centralized administration of what sites are allowed to be seen and which are not.  Now THAT'S censorship - far beyond any sort of ratings system.

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/28/2008 2:47:39 AM   
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It could be worse...  The Australian gov is trying to build a firewall for the entire country with some sort of centralized administration of what sites are allowed to be seen and which are not.  Now THAT'S censorship - far beyond any sort of ratings system.

~Dave



And they check downloads also..instead of the http traffic they first intended.
Thank god for encryption.


http://keznews.com/5183_Australia_to_test_blocking_all_P2P_and_Bit_Torrent_traffic

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/28/2008 2:10:08 PM   
JustDarkness


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couldn't edit the previous post

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/28/2008 2:38:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Often ratings systems are used as a guise to censor.

How many times have we heard we must do this and that to protect ums, surely ums are just being used as a reason for busybodies to assert their control over us. For instance, when I was an um, my parents said there was not this much concern over our welfare, ums were just allowed to grow up with whatever there was around them, and from the ums of then, we all turned out pretty ok. So why the sudden need to do things, censor and prohibit to protect the innocence of ums ? Sure we have the internet, but as far as I am concerned, ums should have no access unless with parental guidance, they need to study, use libraries like generations did before them.

But as for a ratings system, censorship, that should be repelled at all costs, as one has to wonder who exactly says what goes and what does not, what qualifies them, and what publically available data do they use to make their decisions.


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RE: History repeats itself - 12/28/2008 4:12:34 PM   
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Often ratings systems are used as a guise to censor.

How many times have we heard we must do this and that to protect ums, surely ums are just being used as a reason for busybodies to assert their control over us. For instance, when I was an um, my parents said there was not this much concern over our welfare, ums were just allowed to grow up with whatever there was around them, and from the ums of then, we all turned out pretty ok. So why the sudden need to do things, censor and prohibit to protect the innocence of ums ? Sure we have the internet, but as far as I am concerned, ums should have no access unless with parental guidance, they need to study, use libraries like generations did before them.



So whats the difference between the internet and the movies. Do you think we should have no censorship of either ? Your parents forget that movies have been censored for the last hundred years in the UK.

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/28/2008 11:24:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, parents should be able to vet and veteo what their childern watch.
No, the Government shouldn't be able to vet and veteo what their voters watch.

Yet again the nanny state Labour party comes up with some half baked idea. Mr. Burnham seems to forget that the Internet has a colossal numbers of sites, how do you effectively police them all? How do you decide what to censor and what not to censor?



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RE: History repeats itself - 12/29/2008 4:56:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course, such a system would work! After all, when we were kids we naturally didnt want to see videos that were labelled for adults only and would never have dreamed of scheming various ways in which to obtain them to watch in select groups in darkened rooms away from parents.

What a load of tosh.

As a parent, how am I meant to ensure my computer savvy kids, either on their own account or by way of the more than ample teamwork possible by the social network provided by their school environment, dont work out how to circumvent any and all means of preventing them accessing prohibited content? I freely admit it - I lost track in 1986 of how to program and otherwise muck about with PCs - and my kids are far more up to date on it all; I dont have a clue.

Am I to be held liable for what my kids get up to online, when I dont have a clue as to how it all works behind the scenes and they do? Is my crime neglect of my children, or neglect of my duty to obtain and maintain a PhD in programming or what?

And then there is the amazing experiences we have had with parental controls online - controls which prevented my kids from accessing internet sites they needed to see in order to complete homework; particularly history homework, what with history being full of "adult content". We had to do away with parental controls in the end as ridiculously juvenile, and in the presence of adequate parenting rather redundant.

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/29/2008 6:17:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: corysub

I hate any sort of censorship...



So, you support the right of Channel 4 to broadcast Ahmadinejad's speech, and you will consider really reading the Archbishop of Canterbury's lecture before passing a censorship like judgement on it, won't you :-) ?

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RE: History repeats itself - 12/29/2008 6:21:44 AM   
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RE: History repeats itself - 12/29/2008 6:24:59 AM   
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RE: History repeats itself - 12/29/2008 7:32:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Often ratings systems are used as a guise to censor.

How many times have we heard we must do this and that to protect ums, surely ums are just being used as a reason for busybodies to assert their control over us. For instance, when I was an um, my parents said there was not this much concern over our welfare, ums were just allowed to grow up with whatever there was around them, and from the ums of then, we all turned out pretty ok. So why the sudden need to do things, censor and prohibit to protect the innocence of ums ? Sure we have the internet, but as far as I am concerned, ums should have no access unless with parental guidance, they need to study, use libraries like generations did before them.



So whats the difference between the internet and the movies. Do you think we should have no censorship of either ? Your parents forget that movies have been censored for the last hundred years in the UK.


I am against censorship of any kind, for if I wish to see someone's artwork, their artistic interpretation of anything, I should be allowed to do that thing without hindrance from others who think I have to be 'protected' from whatever. I am an adult, I am capable of making my own decisions. Censorship is of particular interest to me because of my interest and future employment in the arts, I would hate to have to limit myself in any interpretation for fear of control by censors. Humans should be allowed to express themselves freely, for without free expression, what are we.


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