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RE: This Meltdown was Planned! - 12/26/2008 4:43:24 AM   
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how dishonest and criminally minded their toadies in the White House and in the republican party had become. Remember George Bush was Greenspan's boss. Can you imagine Greenspan going into the oval office and telling Cheney/Bush that massive increases in regulation were needed? (As he exists scene laughing uproariously.)

I have understanding that the president nominates the chirman of the Federal Reserve but is not his boss. Am I correct? I am not to say that A. Greenspan decisions were not coordinated with Bill Clinton and George  Bush.  I wouldn't blame Republican Party here. As it concerns enrichment of themselves and their corporate donors there is no difference which party a member of elite belongs.

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RE: This Meltdown was Planned! - 12/26/2008 9:06:52 AM   
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All this caucus over what I think should be common knowledge.

Who has the money ?

Who does not ?

Who wanted the money ?

Who had the means to get it ?

Conspiracy theories ? Well now I want just  one of you to tell me that there are not rooms in which people wearing business suits go to have private meetings and plan to get more money. Prove to me that all these people who got the money did not know each other and this situation was just by chance, they simply got lucky somehow, that they were never after the money, it was just dropped in their lap.

Do I have to cut down all the trees so you can see the forest ?

The thing is, we were all born into it and are acclimated to it, people get executed for shit like this in some parts of the world. Like that guy in China, the head of their equivalent of our FDA. They EXECUTED him for something that is business as usual in the US.

But we are number one, we are the best, the model, the moral compass for the rest of the world to follow and follow they will, lest one of our high Masters says one day "They need a bombing and that's what they're going to get" (IIRC it was Madeline Allbright).

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RE: This Meltdown was Planned! - 12/26/2008 10:39:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bluepanda

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The thing about "investment planning" is that it's not a one or two year program. If you are in your 20's or 30's now and don't start to learn about real estate or the stock market for planning for your retirement you are no doing yourself any good. Sure things are tough now...but suppose you were 20 or 30 years old 20 or 30 years ago and was able to put half your and your employers contribution to social security money in the stock market. You would have a heck of a lot more "value" even after this years slump than the $1,000 or $1,500 a month you would be getting today from social security. Only the politicians who derive power by controlling the purse strings of americans voiced negative opinions about allowing some investment in the stock market, and they sold their minions a bill of goods. I guess they felt "change" was not good....for them!


Oh, bullshit, Cory. Come on. The point is, if Bush had managed to transfer the bulk of the social security funds into the stock market 3 years ago, the value of those funds would have been cut almost in half over the last few months. Of the money that was there when he started this crazy crusade - money that is needed to cut checks for retired people right now, this next week - there would only be a little more than half as much now as there was a few months ago. What possible relevance does your bromide about longterm investment strategy for people in their 20s have in this argument? Sounds to me as though the political leaders who refused to let him get away with this fraud were doing a pretty goddamned good job of looking after the best interests of the taxpayers.



First of all there are no "funds", SSI has been on a "pay as you go" basis since four years after it's creation ... and how did we *ever* get along before??? Lest you actually believed Al Gore's "lock box" rhetoric, it just isn't so.

Next there was no "bulk" of the "funds", it was to be a few percent and at the *option* of the "investor". The money that "is needed to cut checks for retired people right now, this next week" is being deposited in the system this week by wage earners. Again, there is no lock box. If a private party or business tried to do what SSI does they would be shut down and jailed for running a Ponzi Scheme!

SSI is the *worst* investment possible, and that's if you are lucky enough to collect benefits for the average anticipated term. Suppose you live to be one day short of getting benefits after paying in your whole life? Too bad, your survivor spouse gets $255 dollars.

Even if the system *isn't* broken, the public believes it is. For years polls have routinely shown that roughly 66% of people of all age groups don't believe that they ever get any money from SSI.



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