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need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:20:00 AM   
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Does anyone know someone that's literally impossible to communicate with? Hypothetical situation: Let's say this is a person you're forced to associate with. Every time you try to speak they won't let you finish a sentence without interrupting, jumping to conclusions, and sometimes yelling. Letting them finish their interruption and then trying to speak doesn't work because once you start speaking they interrupt again. Talking over them when they interrupt in order to finish the sentence doesn't work because they just keep running their mouth and don't hear anyway. Telling them they are interrupting and asking them to let you finish  doesn't work either. Being quiet and not saying anything makes them mad too. Then, say this person tells you to "grow up" and blames you for not being able to get along with them. What would you do in this situation if never dealing with them again wasn't an option?

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:21:33 AM   
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write it out.  or leave voice mail.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:27:27 AM   
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Great advice pahunkboy, especially for someone you're not forced to deal with face to face. What if you had to deal with this person face to face? All the responses I listed, I have tried. Is their anything other techniques I could use?

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:37:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Great advice pahunkboy, especially for someone you're not forced to deal with face to face. What if you had to deal with this person face to face? All the responses I listed, I have tried. Is their anything other techniques I could use?
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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:40:05 AM   
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Tell them when they're ready to listen to what you have to say, to come find you.  Then walk away.


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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:41:01 AM   
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If this is at work, speak to his manager.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:42:05 AM   
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Oh and when they tell you to "grow up", tell them, "that's ironic coming from someone who interrupts like a toddler".


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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:42:46 AM   
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Is this a relationship without an agreed upon authority dynamic? 

If it is, then this is what I suggest.  Let them know that you are willing to communicate with them as long as it remains constructive.  That you see yelling, interupting, making assumptions and belittling you as destructive to communication.  Then when they do those things, walk away.  Just turn around without saying anything and walk away.  If they follow, go into another room and shut the door (with them on the other side of the door).  Or leave the building all together. 

Essentially, whenever they communicate in a manner that is destructive, completely shut communication down by removing yourself.  If they want to actually communicate with you, they will learn constructive ways to do it.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:50:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

Essentially, whenever they communicate in a manner that is destructive, completely shut communication down by removing yourself.  If they want to actually communicate with you, they will learn constructive ways to do it.

I'm guessing that the person she's referring to is her ex and the reason she's unable to sever communication is because there is crotch fruit involved.  This isn't the first thread she's started on the issue.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 9:54:40 AM   
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crotch fruit


LMAO!!! As for the thread, I just can't imagine that DBG could possibly be having a hard time with communication.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 10:10:03 AM   
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I don't believe there is any such thing as a person whom we literally cannot eliminate from our lives if they are impossible to deal with.  It may not be Pleasant doing so.  There are obviously going to be Consequences of some sort in doing so.  But it can be done.  The only reason to continue dealing with them is that doing so is less unpleasant to you than the consequences of simply not dealing with them.  That means it's not Impossible - it's simply a Choice to take the path of Least Resistance.
 
Since from your op I can reasonably draw the conclusion that you find the alternative less pleasant than dealing with the person, I'd say your choice has been made.  Try telling the person to shut up.  Bluntly.  When he/she interupts, tell them "you're a rude shit to constantly interupt and I'm sick of it - now STFU so I can say something."  Don't wanna go the blunt route because you're afraid that You'll be getting "rude" in doing so?  Then suck it up, accept that it's not going to change, and don't whine about it - because that's the only thing that might actually have a chance of getting through to them.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 10:11:39 AM   
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Hunky is right, write it out. Most likely they will start speaking after the first line, which is when you put your fingers in your ears.

I have also used other techniques. Sometimes I would hit them, not in the face or anything, like in the arm or leg. Other times I just clam up and the conversation may be over. Do it just right and I can have them begging me to finish. I frequently refuse.

I have two friends who are very bad in that respect. It can be very annoying. Though they are vanilla I have considered bringing out my full head harness Bishop style gag and threatening to make them wear it for the duration of their visit. Problem is no beer. Well more for me.

I have also been known to point at the front door. Then I get "It just popped into my head and I said it". At that point I ask them their age, and allude to the fact that act like a five year old. You state that this is not an option in this case. I would recommend severely limiting conversation with the person then. Refuse to talk. Put everything in writing. When they talk, keep typing at the keyboard, and then later after the talk and talk and talk say "What did you say ?". Become a person of very few words.

For one you give them nothing to which to respond, and then when they do, make them think that you didn't listen. They want an audience and have the audacity to think that their opinion trumps your's. They think that what they have to say it the most important thing in the world.

I mean I don't care if they say something so intelligent and it catches your interest, even if they spout off a valid solution to all the world's problems. Let them spend their wind and then say "What did you say ?". They will repeat themselves, and you respond in exactly the same manner.

In other words, share your aggravation with them. Don't get mad, get even. For example, leave a note on the fridge "Good food in the blue containers". They ask what it is, write it down. REFUSE TO SPEAK.

All for now, let me get some beer in me and I'll explain mode two. It helps if you have a loud stereo, just as a hint. Hell I don't need the beer. Whether you hate it or not, when this person is in the room, ALWAYS have the music going, just loud enough so they have to raise their voice to be heard. When they get done (if ever lol) say "What did you say, I was enjoying the music".

Raising your voice, telling them to shutup, even administering a bit of pain is not likely to work. The main goal here is to make them feel lonely, unaccepted, on the outside. Keep your eyes on the prize and you yourself are likely to come up with more effective tactics, as long as you don't forget the goal. Make this person feel alone, with others. That is the most effective plan, I guarantee it.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 10:33:13 AM   
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There was never an agreed upon authority dynamic between me and this person. Here's what I know about his personality. He can be extremely violent and nonconsentual terrorizing excites him. In fact, the one thing that will stop him from physically attacking someone is for them to beg for more or act like it's in any way consentual. He gets this weird look on his face, tells the person they're crazy, and walks away. I don't think this would work with a conversation not involving violence though. Maybe I could tell him his interrupting me and talking over me turns me on? Lol then I really would sound crazy. If his significant other was there, it might start a fight between me and her. Seriously though, thanks for all the great advice so far.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 10:36:22 AM   
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Shove a gag in their mouth...
 
Most would not get the hint then...

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 10:43:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

 Try telling the person to shut up.  Bluntly.  When he/she interupts, tell them "you're a rude shit to constantly interupt and I'm sick of it - now STFU so I can say something."
 
I already thought of and tried it more than once. I ended up trapped against a wall with him screaming an inch from my face. Lol I like that one though, Sure wish it would work.
 
 


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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 10:48:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

There was never an agreed upon authority dynamic between me and this person. Here's what I know about his personality. He can be extremely violent and nonconsentual terrorizing excites him. In fact, the one thing that will stop him from physically attacking someone is for them to beg for more or act like it's in any way consentual. He gets this weird look on his face, tells the person they're crazy, and walks away. I don't think this would work with a conversation not involving violence though. Maybe I could tell him his interrupting me and talking over me turns me on? Lol then I really would sound crazy. If his significant other was there, it might start a fight between me and her. Seriously though, thanks for all the great advice so far.

Since I have only your side of this and as your name may say a few possible things to me, I'll wait till I hear more details.


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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 10:54:34 AM   
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Well, you can do a couple things, 1) communicate ONLY through your lawyers or 2) communicate ONLY at the police station.  That way with the 1st you won't have to actually communicate with him and the 2nd if he attacks you he will go to jail and the police won't allow either of you to get all crazy on the other.  It may not be convenient, but if its really that big of an issue, sometimes you have to take drastic measures.   It boggles my mind why you even started with the hypothetical when you never intended this to be a hypothetical.  And its really hard to decipher the reason things are happening to formulate solutions when its one side of the story.  For all we know, his interuption could be because you are constantly criticizing him, not speaking of anything instructive, are yelling at him, calling him names, or attempting to antagonize him.   In situation of ex's i have found that there is never a party that is completely innocent and usually the conversations are the result of negative concepts and reactions on BOTH side. 

So another solution may be to try is simply not try and fix him but figure out what you can control -- what you are doing.  And more than likely, if we sat you both down, i could pretty much guarantee he would have issues with how you communicate with him.  So maybe that is where you both need to start.  So in the end, i think you may have to start with changing you and what he may deem being an issue with you, and perhaps with you changing yourself he will change how he reacts.  It all depends how much you want to communicate with him.  If you don't, then don't look or care about what his issues with you may be.   If you do, then you have to not try and change him but perhaps change you and it may give rise to you two being able to communicate with each other.   It may be something you don't even realize you are doing, but perhaps if you did, its easily changeable for the ability to communicate differently with him.

Other than that, have a representative speak on your behalf or speak between your lawyers or take it to the police station if you are afraid he will attack you.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 11:37:12 AM   
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Well, you can do a couple things, 1) communicate ONLY through your lawyers or 2) communicate ONLY at the police station.  That way with the 1st you won't have to actually communicate with him and the 2nd if he attacks you he will go to jail and the police won't allow either of you to get all crazy on the other.  It may not be convenient, but if its really that big of an issue, sometimes you have to take drastic measures.   It boggles my mind why you even started with the hypothetical when you never intended this to be a hypothetical.  And its really hard to decipher the reason things are happening to formulate solutions when its one side of the story.  For all we know, his interuption could be because you are constantly criticizing him, not speaking of anything instructive, are yelling at him, calling him names, or attempting to antagonize him.   In situation of ex's i have found that there is never a party that is completely innocent and usually the conversations are the result of negative concepts and reactions on BOTH side. 

So another solution may be to try is simply not try and fix him but figure out what you can control -- what you are doing.  And more than likely, if we sat you both down, i could pretty much guarantee he would have issues with how you communicate with him.  So maybe that is where you both need to start.  So in the end, i think you may have to start with changing you and what he may deem being an issue with you, and perhaps with you changing yourself he will change how he reacts.  It all depends how much you want to communicate with him.  If you don't, then don't look or care about what his issues with you may be.   If you do, then you have to not try and change him but perhaps change you and it may give rise to you two being able to communicate with each other.   It may be something you don't even realize you are doing, but perhaps if you did, its easily changeable for the ability to communicate differently with him.

Other than that, have a representative speak on your behalf or speak between your lawyers or take it to the police station if you are afraid he will attack you.

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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 11:48:46 AM   
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RE: need advice on communication - 11/30/2008 12:49:29 PM   
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I ended up trapped against a wall with him screaming an inch from my face. Lol


Not sure what you find funny about that.  If this is about your ex, just go get a damn restraining order already.  I had to get one against my ex.  He was not physically abusive; he lacked boundaries and was harrassing me, and had been for about two years.  He didn't show up for the court hearing for it, and the judge asked me a bunch of questions about the evidence I had submitted with my request for the restraining order (transcribed voice mails, police reports, my account of various incidents).  At the end, he said, "well, he's just a big JERK isn't he?".

The only reason he can contact me now is in regard to visitation with our daughter, and the court documents specify "brief and peaceful".  The district attorney has two reports from me showing he violated the order, and I will hear within a couple of weeks on whether they will bring him up on charges.

It has made my life more peaceful, and it has forced him to keep his discussions limited to what time he is picking her up, what time he is dropping her off, etc.  He has stopped screaming at me, he has stopped leaving vile voice messages, he has stopped showing up and pounding on my door, etc.

Has it made some things more difficult?  Of course it has, that's the tradeoff.  But the things that have been more difficult are miniscule in comparison to the things that have gotten better.

You're never going to change him, and using different methods of trying to get thru to him verbally aren't going to work.  So stop.

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