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the epic 1984 - 11/23/2008 2:23:43 PM   
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21303.htm   4 minute trailor for 1984

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15531.htm    watch the entire movie here..

absolutely uncanny how 1984 has in many ways come to life.

I recall reading this book in the 7th grade.  I thought- it sure is a good thing there isnt this thing here in the US. I recommend reading the book 1st, then watching the movie.

The younger crowd might not be able to relate- but there was a time where not everything was monitored and tracked. It wasnt a bad way to live.  A person looses something with the teck as we have it today.

To the younger folks I say, it is urgent that you absorb the deeper meaning of Orwell.  

If you dont read it- then the movie is better then none.

The 1984 was written many years before 1984. No internet, no microwaves, no cell phones. 

But tyranny can take on any number of forms.

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/23/2008 3:37:48 PM   
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I loved that book, i read it then brave new world right after, I have to say brave new world scared me more, i guess the reason was consciousness, 1984 everyone is aware of the fear and that is what keeps them alive, brave new world they are so drugged up they have no clue about the inequalities among them, that terrified me.

It is amazing how much of what 1984 is a reality today, however i dont think that it is urgent that the younger folks absorb the deeper meaning of orwell. Its a fantastic book and I would recomend it to anyone with an interest in politics, sociology, philosophy or a good read. However though there are links between the book and now its important to not over stress them, which is something I think that many can do.

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/23/2008 6:16:55 PM   
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Orwell was an optimist 

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/23/2008 6:21:17 PM   
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Personally,I`m looking forward to when 2+2 will once again,equal 4.....

Gobama!

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/23/2008 6:49:32 PM   
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1984 was Orwell's "science fiction" treatment of Stalin's Russia. (Hint: "Animal Farm" isn't about agricultural practices, either.) As such, the nightmares he told about are somewhat out of date.

No, if you want the American version of "1984" you need to just go down to your local video palace, or to your Netflix cue (rentals of which are also monitored by Homeland Security, BTW, alsong with your library check outs and credit card purchases) and take a look at the movie of Margret Atwood's "A Handmaid's Tale."

Loss of liberties, the US as a theocracy, gays being hung on street corners for "gender treason" ...all a wet dream of Christian conservative republicans.

Thank God the majority of us said no to a third Bush term by proxy.

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 12:01:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

1984 was Orwell's "science fiction" treatment of Stalin's Russia. (Hint: "Animal Farm" isn't about agricultural practices, either.) As such, the nightmares he told about are somewhat out of date.



Hmmm saying that 1984 is about the soviet union is a bit blinkered, animal farm was but 1984 was a composite piece influenced by many regimes in his lifetime, Stalins of course but also Hitlers and English. It was a prophecy, no the nightmares arent out of date, they werent really happening at the time, some were influenced but things occuring but largly it was what he thought would happen.
 
Ive never seen the film of a handmaids tale, love the book, if i was comparing it by the books id say that 1984 is far closer to reality.

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 1:30:04 AM   
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And thank God we have video addicts to give us hints about genre defining literature.

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 4:44:58 AM   
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the point is to be able to identify tyranny, and block ....possibly.

consider what a young person might think.  "there they go again, wanting to relive the 80s".   or the implied "it is 2008"   news brief, it is 1775 1/2!!!

we have no attention span. we are highly distracted.  we have no thoughts in our head that the grid did not put there.  (ie critical thinking.  see distraction.   see distraction. see distraction)

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 6:36:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire
No, if you want the American version of "1984" you need to just go down to your local video palace, or to your Netflix cue (rentals of which are also monitored by Homeland Security, BTW, alsong with your library check outs and credit card purchases) and take a look at the movie of Margret Atwood's "A Handmaid's Tale."

Just an aside here:  I love a good conspiracy theory as much or more than the next guy but, as a librarian, I must tell you that Homeland Security really doesn't "monitor" your check outs like so many people think.  By law, your library patron record is private and we are bound to not even discuss it with your family members, let alone the government.  If, for some wild reason, the "government" does become interested in your library usage (and what we have seen is that usually involves library computer usage, not book checkouts), they must have an official subpeona, specifying exactly what they are looking for if they approach library management.   They absolutely cannot just come in on a "fishing" expedition and look around.

Those of us in library management take your privacy very seriously and there have already been instances of library personnel willing to go to jail rather than violate that.  I'm sure the "government" would love to have a big snoop around but, as long as there are dedicated libary staff devoted to protecting patron rights, they're going to have to follow the rules...............luci

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 7:23:10 AM   
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Master likes the movie handmaids tale. " its old, but she is hot ".  1984 was a predictor, and it looks like we are off schedule but on track...  and 1984 seems much more likely than handmaids tale...

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 7:47:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin

I loved that book, i read it then brave new world right after, I have to say brave new world scared me more, i guess the reason was consciousness, 1984 everyone is aware of the fear and that is what keeps them alive, brave new world they are so drugged up they have no clue about the inequalities among them, that terrified me.

It is amazing how much of what 1984 is a reality today, however i dont think that it is urgent that the younger folks absorb the deeper meaning of orwell. Its a fantastic book and I would recomend it to anyone with an interest in politics, sociology, philosophy or a good read. However though there are links between the book and now its important to not over stress them, which is something I think that many can do.


There is actually pain medication with the name "Soma."

As for not overstressing the import or messages of 1984.... Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

A more current book along similar lines, and not fictional at all, is Naomi Wolf "The End of America." She outlines the steps used in fascist takeovers, or in converting an open society to a closed one. We have all the steps already in place. Now that is scary.

Uncle Nasty

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 7:54:13 AM   
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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 8:48:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire
No, if you want the American version of "1984" you need to just go down to your local video palace, or to your Netflix cue (rentals of which are also monitored by Homeland Security, BTW, alsong with your library check outs and credit card purchases) and take a look at the movie of Margret Atwood's "A Handmaid's Tale."

Just an aside here:  I love a good conspiracy theory as much or more than the next guy but, as a librarian, I must tell you that Homeland Security really doesn't "monitor" your check outs like so many people think.  By law, your library patron record is private and we are bound to not even discuss it with your family members, let alone the government.  If, for some wild reason, the "government" does become interested in your library usage (and what we have seen is that usually involves library computer usage, not book checkouts), they must have an official subpeona, specifying exactly what they are looking for if they approach library management.   They absolutely cannot just come in on a "fishing" expedition and look around.

Those of us in library management take your privacy very seriously and there have already been instances of library personnel willing to go to jail rather than violate that.  I'm sure the "government" would love to have a big snoop around but, as long as there are dedicated libary staff devoted to protecting patron rights, they're going to have to follow the rules...............luci


per haps, but who will control the wire, where many get info -ie the net.   if i look in the phone book for pawn broker- there is no record.  if a google a nearby pawn broker- that inquiry is archived for data mining until 2038.   hmmm

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 9:02:54 AM   
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1984 is on my list of books that I think everyone should read and occasionally re-read (so is animal farm).  The movie with John Hurt as Winston (and that cute, hot little Suzanna Hamilton as Julia) is also great.  Want an interesting experience?  Watch 1984, and then watch V for Vendetta where Hurt essentially takes on the opposite (Big Brother) role – and he pulls off both spectacularly.

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 12:08:25 PM   
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Another good book along these lines is "A Handmaids Tale".. same theme. 

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 12:17:40 PM   
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Damn, luci, librarians ( and libraries ) have always made me hot...

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 2:04:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Araven

Another good book along these lines is "A Handmaids Tale".. same theme. 


Advice read the whole thread.

You know, i saw equilibrium recently which has a very 1984 feel i thought

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 5:03:42 PM   
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I like Future SHock ...

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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 6:30:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

1984 was Orwell's "science fiction" treatment of Stalin's Russia. (Hint: "Animal Farm" isn't about agricultural practices, either.) As such, the nightmares he told about are somewhat out of date.

No, if you want the American version of "1984" you need to just go down to your local video palace, or to your Netflix cue (rentals of which are also monitored by Homeland Security, BTW, alsong with your library check outs and credit card purchases) and take a look at the movie of Margret Atwood's "A Handmaid's Tale."

Loss of liberties, the US as a theocracy, gays being hung on street corners for "gender treason" ...all a wet dream of Christian conservative republicans.

Thank God the majority of us said no to a third Bush term by proxy.


I just finished reading Oryx and Crake by Margret Atwood. It's another dystopian future kind of story about genetic engineering, and a doomed, overpopulated world.

It was also very 1984-ish.


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RE: the epic 1984 - 11/24/2008 8:21:12 PM   
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I have a first edition. and 2+2 will always equal 5. because we say so. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. 

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