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RE: Motor City has 2 weeks to devise a plan - 11/21/2008 4:31:44 PM

Aneirin

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My old aircooler passed every test the British M.O.T. system could throw. So it cracked heads every 10k or more, but it still passed. In fact I was told my air cooler was cleaner than many more modern water cooled motors. It was not an old motor, but a remanufactured engine, a recon, but it was reliable and frugal on fuel given what it was pushing. Given an air flow, why carry around all that extra weight of water and associated ancilliaries when a 1943 designed motor is good enough.

Surely with modern technology and engineering a light weight air cooled motor can be produced that is as good as or better than it's equivalent to it's water cooled similarity.

Maybe it is that water cooling presents no challenge to designers, it is cooled by water and that water cooled by air, designers would have to to think more if water was taken out of the equation.

To note, the hottest day of the year some years ago, I was stuck in a four hour long tailback due to a wagon jacknifining on the carriageway ahead. My air cooled motor ran cool, some 45 degrees centrigrade, whilst more modern water cooled cars over heated and died all around. Given that and another incident where the hottest day another year I transported the limit in weight across two countries on only three cylinders, I have much faith in the air cooled design.

Given that I was a convert from the water cooler, I trusted my engine not, so with realtime gauges I monitored my motor and with monitoring I found it given the aerodynamics of what I drove, it's weight and all, a fair engine it was, sixteen hundred cc's pushing near on two tonnes.

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RE: Motor City has 2 weeks to devise a plan - 11/21/2008 5:39:32 PM

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So the corporate and union execs that could not come up with a workable business plan in the last 30 years are going to do it in two weeks......

What wrong with this picture?

It's worse than that. They walked into a meeting discussing their viability with no clear idea of how to proceed. Just "gimme money".

Also, the fact that they didn't have a plan indicated that they never for a minute considered going to conventional capital sources.

All this talk about lazy union workers... what the hell does management do?

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RE: Motor City has 2 weeks to devise a plan - 11/21/2008 5:47:57 PM

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The problem is the Japanese, either in cars or bikes, have perfected the durable, long lasting, relatively high performance, liquid cooled four cylinder engine. While I myself prefer a little diversity in engines, especially on two wheels (I'm a vtwin or thumper fan), the LCI4 engine is as close to perfect as we are going to get.

It is a real shame the Big 2.8 have never been able to build a great 4 cylinder engine. That imho is their biggest downfall.

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RE: Motor City has 2 weeks to devise a plan - 11/22/2008 12:23:07 AM

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Great post M, slight name change, humm
If anyone can't see that our country is spiraling downhill at this point,
they must be deaf, dumb and blind.

I had to create a new username because the other one stopped working and support never was able to help me fix the problem. On the other side, I'm still FullFigRIMAAM.

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RE: Motor City has 2 weeks to devise a plan - 11/22/2008 6:02:49 AM

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I love V-twins, though I am not a biker. In fact I was going to learn to ride a bike just to get a V-twin, a Japanese V-twin of the Dragstar variety.

The costs of getting a full bike license in the UK and then the apparent disregard car drivers have for bikers here shelved that plan. Most car drivers here coccooned in their air conditioned shells with the stereo on are oblivious to what is at the side of them, they think their car is a train, the road the rails, they only see front and back, rarely to the inside or outside.

Self preservation was the overriding factor in my choice of vehicle.

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