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Russia is making a rational response to American aggression.
Just imagine the US's response if Russia was siting missiles on the US border.
Yea, you're right. I mean after we drove our tanks into Canada and Mexico years ago in our now infamous and brutal colonial imperialism, I'd be scared too. I mean it who'd want missiles in their country like say Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia after these Russians so courteously invited them into the Soviet sphere. I mean after all, when these countries invited the Russians in we knew it was of a benevolent desire. Whereas we just went into Canada and Mexico with guns ablazing like Afganistan shot up their leaders, staff and even their whores (no eyewitnesses) because like the Russians would tell thew world...they wanted us to.
You're rambling
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Ah yes, Afganistan...now there was the prize. The whole world just new when we drove our tanks into that country it was because we were invited. But wait, it WAS the Russians who took everybody out when they drove their tanks in and told the world...to 'help' reassert control over the govt. What WE did was to give the Afgans $billion, the stinger missile and helped them KICK the Rusians out. And as a perfect example of American imperialist colonialism...were told not only was that just the beginning but we would remain there. Then when unlike those imperialist colonialist America is...we left.
America was involved in Afghanistan in a cold war kneee jerk reaction to the Soviets being there. The USSR and the USA deserved each other, the USA had no concern for Afghanistan. Once the Soviets had been kicked out Afghanistan disappeared of the US radar until 9/11.
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THEN when America left, America is blamed for the political vacuum and their war damages. So we are the evil imperialist colonialist or are we fuck'em (give them $billion and leave) and forget'em. America is now what... damned if we do and damned if we don't ?
America was only interfering in Afghanistan to thwart the Soviets, beyond that it had no concern for the place. Afghanistan was just another space on the chess board.
Russia spent billions on its empire too, that was the fucked up thinking of the ideological cold war. It is still the fucked up thinking today. The US could do no worse than dumping its ideology and become pragmatic. It is what Russia tried to do before its collapse (which largely occurred through advice and promised help that didn't arrive from the west). The economic collapse in Russia allowed someone like Putin to come to power and if you are Russian, he had done a good job because you can now go to a shop and buy stuff.
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I still can't believe the historical bullshit I read here. Maybe you all need to go back afew hundred years and look at not the formation of America but look at the formation of ALL of history's empire and take a good look at what was done...what the real definition of colonialist imperialism is then come back and compare that to Americas history of so-called 'imperialist colonialism.'
Let's go back to the formation of the USA if you desire. The main reason for the war of independence was not tax since almost no colonist paid tax, the main tension between Britain and the colonists was expanding the colony yet further into Indian territory. The Brits wanted to stop the expansion, the land hungry settlers wanted expansion. All the other reasons was propaganda and bullshit of which the founding fathers were sublime. I can't remember which American it was but the quote is American 'The founding fathers wrote like angels and schemed like devilsd.' Actually, the colonies had matured into a nation proper which was probably the main reason for their wanting their independence but they were a mirror image of Europe. I have never said the US is worse than Europe, I said the US has taken up the same mantel that Britain had, the imposing of 'free trade' which benefits the US more than the other country. However, this era in history is fast coming to a close as American and European economies make up less and less of the world economy.
< Message edited by meatcleaver -- 11/7/2008 1:39:28 AM >
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