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ExKat -> Martial Arts and BDSM (10/26/2008 10:05:41 PM)
On a boring Sunday night, I am browsing through profiles and I realize that a good percentage of the people on the site are into martial arts as well as BDSM. It seems too high a percentage to be random. As, such, I have a two part question for the Sunday night lurkers. Why do you think people who are into BDSM are also drawn to martial arts (or do you think they are)? How do the two mix for you? For myself, knowing me a bit more fully now than I did when I first started training, I definitely see a tie between what I do during training in both arts. Both my instructor and my master give me orders. Both push me beyond physical limits. I obey both even when I'd rather pass out for a few hours. The endless protocol in my martial art, while it sometimes feels silly, more often feels mystic and electrifying. These things appeal to the submissive in me. However, I see many dominants who are into it as well, who might get completely different things out of it. [sm=weightlift.gif]

RainydayNE -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/26/2008 10:08:26 PM)
having not yet gotten into classes or anything, all i can say is that some of what you mentioned definitely resonates with me and forms some basis for my interest in it. i like the structure and the potential to push myself, but i get alot of that in dance, as well.

moonvine -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/26/2008 10:12:03 PM)
My first dominant was into martial arts in a big way. I believe he was a black belt but it has been over 10 years now so I may be misremembering; I'll have to ask him next time I see him online. I have often wished to give it a try as well, but when I have the time I don't have the money and when I have the money I don't have the time. I never thought of it as anything kink related at all, though, more in a feeling I can keep myself safer kind of way.

OttersSwim -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/26/2008 10:25:05 PM)
I have been around martial arts since jr. high. I have studied Kenpo to brown belt (many years ago now), Aikido (several schools, but no belts), and most recently Haidong Gumdo which is Korean sword art to green belt. I love the discipline that a martial art can teach in your life - the sense of training and engaging your body and mind in a way that is productive and rewarding. Here is a youtube of a wonderful Korean sword dancer named Yoon Ja Kyung. Her dance is really amazing, and the swords are real and her cutting at the end shows it. Really skillful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh3h0DgrljM and another... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWmhjNG6XLs&feature=related EDIT: so maybe I should answer the question, eh? I see links from martial arts and BDSM in that they are pursuits of mental and physical discipline for which people devote their lives to. Certainly, practitioners of Shibari will see a link I imagine...

Sky42 -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/26/2008 10:35:40 PM)
Martial Arts are often a way for someone to know and learn themselves, both physically and mentally. Not to mention improve both. It's that self-awareness I think that is universal to both sides, while the control/strengthening, tolerance, etc, varies from person to person. Plus, just because I'm a sub, doesn't mean that I don't like being able to beak 5 inches of concrete, or be competent enough to protect or fight for my owner if needed/desired (and no Miss, when you read this I don't really ~want~ to be thrown into bloodsports, but if you want to see it...)

Soyokaze -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/26/2008 11:16:10 PM)
I can't really connect the two atleast not with a moments notice. When I did martial arts, it was for the combined flexibility and strength, the precision in movement, and being able to completely tire myself out in 30 seconds doing a form/kata at maximum speed and have it look sharp. Also, the mind games when sparring were very fun. The last thing I did martial arts for was to be ordered around. With the exception of maybe the satisfied exhaustion at the end of sparring/forms/bdsm play. I can't really find anything remotely similiar (those are pretty remote).

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 1:41:58 AM)
You would do better concentrating on the Japanese art or process of folding squares of paper into representational shapes.

colouredin -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 3:17:33 AM)
edit - oops

HebiDom -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 3:19:04 AM)
For me the link was not from BDSM to martial arts, but vice versa as i have been training since i was five and have been into BDSM for the last eight or nine years, but the "true" martial arts that hold the philosophy and the mysticisms of what i hold dear require structure and discipline. It gives you examples of situations and forces you to learn how to react to them so when in that situation for real you know yourself and as your biggest enemy which is fear. its about control and restraint, necessary force, and caring for your fellow man. bdsm isn’t far off the same, aside the obvious control and restraint there is necessary force, for dominants this is understanding how much your submissive can and wants to take, from a submissive point of view its taking what you are happy to take without fear because you know you are in a trusted environment and can rehearse it over and over till you know yourself better. Martial arts teaches how to process pain as does most of the activities in BDSM, it teaches structure. styles such as western karate and judo will obviously not teach you as much of this as they are massively flawed also a big point i would like to make is that if you hold a "Black belt" (grade 8-9) in any system this doesn’t make you especially good, certainly doesn’t make you an expert or a master. Its like passing your driving test, you reach a minimum safe standard to be on the road unsupervised. A "Black belt" is the same. i know a man who is an 8th Dan (grade 17) in Judo (the highest ranking in Europe) now he has a right to call himself a master in his system. people train for 10 years and don’t have the discipline to follow a system threw to a satisfactory conclusion and others train for 5 years following a system religiously so time has no relevance on experience, its dedication. It’s more difficult to know when to call yourself an expert or master in BDSM as there is no grading system but i would hope that watching a porno doesn’t inspire someone to call themselves a master.

Lordi71 -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 3:34:51 AM)
although never done a martial art, I can see the benefits. The level of discipline and structure must only be valiable to a Dom/Master.

JustDarkness -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 4:29:50 AM)
I don't see the link between martial arts and bdsm. I do know that people connect martial arts to honour and such..and propably connect that also to bdsm. Not sure why they make that connection...from the movies we see? The view stories we know? Samurai tradition? Pretty sure that most martial arts student have other reasons then honour etc. I did do several martial arts in the past...but seriously..it was not about honour..but to beat harder and be able to deal with punches and kicks. And just because I liked ninja movies :P

PeggyO -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 4:50:27 AM)
I think the reason for studying martial arts is very individual and also varies depending on the tradition studied. Someone who studies Aikido might not be comfortable in Tae Kwon Do for example. One is a more defensive style and the other is a more aggressive style. Also the type of dojo might be a factor. I study Aikido at a very traditional Japanese dojo. A lot of the emphasis is on the person as a whole, not just the technical skills. \The self discipline, integrity, self confidence and self awareness one learns through studying a martial art are valuable for anyone (not just dominants). These are things that one carries over into the rest of one's life.

colouredin -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 5:20:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeggyO \The self discipline, integrity, self confidence and self awareness one learns through studying a martial art are valuable for anyone (not just dominants). These are things that one carries over into the rest of one's life. I agree that Martial Arts can benifit everyone, I can also see the link between BDSM and Martial arts. Sir who posted earlier comes at it from a Dominant perspective, he teaches his own system which has its roots in nin jutsu, to get to that level you have to be pretty well versed in discipline and self control to then be able to teach it to others. From that oint of view i can see how it has lent itself to his dominance. I think that learning Martial Arts is a fantastic thing for submissives, the physicality of it learning to hold poses/stances etc can be transfered, ad the elements ofbalance are great for helping walk in high heels. But fundementally its the discipline that you have to learn, many systems require strong dedication or else you wont progress and some wont allow you to train. I think that its the dedication that can be transfered best, not giving up in the face of difficulty etc. I also agree that it helps with self confidence, something that many people could do with aboost of (i read the how you feel about your body thread earlier) JustDarkness, I would suggest that your opinion of martial arts does come from the films which is why you have a skewed view. Of all the students I have met it is the base philosophy that inspires most not the need to 'be hard'. Good martial arts doesnt actually look good, it looks unorganised and scrappy, thats one of the reasons it works. Your motivations for doing 'a few martial arts' not with standing i havent met anyone who simply wants to learn to 'kick harder' if they did Sir certainly wouldnt train them.

JustDarkness -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 7:21:47 AM)
quote: JustDarkness, I would suggest that your opinion of martial arts does come from the films which is why you have a skewed view. Of all the students I have met it is the base philosophy that inspires most not the need to 'be hard'. Good martial arts doesnt actually look good, it looks unorganised and scrappy, thats one of the reasons it works. Your motivations for doing 'a few martial arts' not with standing i havent met anyone who simply wants to learn to 'kick harder' if they did Sir certainly wouldnt train them. lol I am sure many do martial arts because of the movies (bruce lee for example was a great influence). And yes perhaps I have a skewed view. I did judo, muay thay and kyokushin karate, The last 2 I did full contact. Believe me..no one does it because he worships the clouds and the holy spirit. It is pushing yourself by destroying others. Ofcourse I can tell a nice story behind it how I came closer to nature...but honestly..I was glad when for once I didn't get an elbow in my face. Even if it is to shape your own body and mind..it still is about hurting the other. (and yes I know...many say selfdefense...but full contact is not done for that) I noticed from your words that you disliked my view on martial arts. But every one seeks something different in what they do. I was always curious what I could do with what I learned. Good martial arts don't look good? What about karate and their kata's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kata_(martial_arts) Every martial arts is trained by repetition....so it is imprinted in your mind. The day you need it..it will be automatic released. quote: Of all the students I have met it is the base philosophy what is the base philosophy? Martial arts are self defense /combat sports. Perhaps some became in time something more. But in the base..it is for defense and destruction...not for the beauty of its movements or personal growth. That is just a great side effect. ps The word martial comes from Mars..the god of war ;) ps2 One of the martial arts I like recently is systema. A russian system used by the spetsnaz. It has movements close to Aikido...redirecting your oponents energy or bring them out of balance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systema ps3 some history of martial arts and the reason why they excist http://www.kungchido.com/om.htm

colouredin -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 7:51:40 AM)
We could have a pissing contest about who knows more about martial arts, i dont claim to know much, i have met a fair few people who do martial arts and many that do Hebi Yugasa Sirs system, all of whom hold the philosophy dear, which to them actually isnt about hurting others to improve yourself (yes i notice you have edited it but on well) it is about learning about your own body and how other bodies work. Again I am not knowledgable enough to have a full on debate about it i am afraid, im just going on personal experaince and what I beleieve it can and does teach. But if we are going to do a pissing contest, I think im going to beleieve someone who has trained past black belt in 7 differant systems and teaches his own rather than one who 'dabbles' in a bit to be hard. But thats just me

JustDarkness -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 7:52:43 AM)
lol you sound pissed. I don't think I attacked you. I just said...I see it different....and with different people..come different views. btw I am glad people do it to feel good.

colouredin -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 7:54:28 AM)
In the context i was using it a pissing contest means like showing off, similar to penis measuring but i dont have one so the analogy wouldnt have been as good.

JustDarkness -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 7:57:20 AM)
I still don't see the showing off part. We were talking about how people see martial arts...some see it as stimulance..some see it as tool to fight/defend. Both are possible....and I guess both gain from it. That is a good thing.

HebiDom -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 8:15:57 AM)
Ok so back to the point of this whole discussion, there are many things within the world of the martial arts such as ju jutsu, nin jutsu, aikido and many others, and even the sports such as judo, karate, Mue Tai Quan Do that get confused with being martial arts that you can relate to BDSM but in honesty if you want to see something you will find it in anything. How many times have I heard that the film someone just saw had bdsm in it and you realise they just watched bambi! Or the fact that I just got a mondeo and now I see loads of moneos on the road. Nothing changed in reality it’s just now I’m sub cancerously looking out for them. I think that like the martial arts, people involved in the lifestyle are focused on cetin aspects of there life and everyone believes there way is best or they wouldn’t do it, so whatever you believe, just do it with passion and enjoy it.

myotherself -> RE: Martial Arts and BDSM (10/27/2008 9:53:52 AM)
fr I do tai chi, which is a beautiful martial art without the hitting and throwing bit. I love the structure and discipline needed to get it right, and I love the feeling of peace and fulfilment I get after an hour or two of practising the forms. I tried aikido, judo and ju jitsu but failed miserably cos I was always worrying about hurting my opponents...tai chi is perfect cos I don't even get to touch anyone else! I don't think it's help me in my role as pain slut, although maybe it's given me a bit of extra stamina [:D]

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